Apr 29, 2021 · 1h 6m · how-i-built-this
Live Episode! Wellness Coach and Podcaster: Jay Shetty
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In this live episode of How I Built This, host Guy Raz interviews wellness coach, podcaster, and former monk Jay Shetty about his transformative journey from corporate disillusionment and monastic life in India to building a global mindfulness and digital media enterprise.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Guy holds 22.2% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Guy as informed peer 3.7 Guest teaching 2.8 Guest disagreement 0.1 Guy pushing back 0.0
speaking balance: gold is Guy, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 1:04:33 Rejecting the framing of luck
Shetty gently pushes back against Raz's binary question about luck versus strategy, stating he does not believe in luck and reframing the concept karmically.
Hardest push from Guy ▶ 50:43 Probing the contradiction of monkhood and social media fameRaz directly challenges Shetty to explain how he reconciles the humble life of an ashram monk with the commercial demands of internet stardom.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 1:01:00 Explaining the psychology of charging for spiritual teachingShetty educates the audience and host on why charging money for guidance provides an exchange of commitment that benefits the student's personal accountability.
Guy holds their own ▶ 49:15 Raz analyzing Shetty's funnel business modelRaz demonstrates his entrepreneurial expertise by accurately mapping Shetty's multi-tiered business structure against models used by other prominent creators.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Guy as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Guy pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Father's Midlife Spiritual Awakening and Search for Meaning | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Raz asks well-researched biographical questions regarding Shetty's upbringing, father's spiritual breakdown, and teenage rebellion. Shetty answers openly and collaboratively. | |
| Business School Ambitions and the Power of Biographies | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Raz guides the narrative toward Shetty's business school years and interest in biographies. Shetty elaborates on how autobiographies sparked his interest in discipline rather than just wealth. | |
| Encountering Gauranga Das and Discovering Selfless Service | 4 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Raz prompts Shetty on his pivotal meeting with Gauranga Das. Shetty eloquently articulates the profound shift from seeking material success to valuing selfless service. | |
| Living Between Two Ecosystems: Ashram Vacations and Corporate Internships | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Raz asks about Shetty's dual life between London corporate internships and Mumbai ashrams. Shetty details the stark daily routine and lifestyle shifts during his monk years. | |
| Leaving the Monastery and Re-entering Conventional Life | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Raz asks how Shetty recognized monastic life was ending for him. Shetty transparently explains the emotional difficulty of leaving, likening it to a painful divorce. | |
| Mid-Episode Break and Upcoming Tease | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | After the mid-episode break, Raz tracks Shetty's transition back into employment at Accenture. Shetty recounts finding his voice speaking on corporate mindfulness. | |
| Mastering Social Media and Creating Early Video Content | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Raz explores how Shetty merged social media skills with philosophical teachings. Shetty details rejection from mainstream broadcasting and filming his first guerilla videos in empty London streets. | |
| Viral Breakthrough with Huffington Post and Moving to New York | 4 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Raz observes Shetty's strategic approach to virality and framing titles. Shetty explains his insight that audiences seek guidance specifically during emotional life transitions. | |
| Structuring a Sustainable Media and Coaching Business Model | 5 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Raz displays business acumen by comparing Shetty's business model to previous guests Rick Steves and Logic. Shetty details splitting his operations between free entertainment content and paid coaching education. | |
| Thinking Like a Monk: Daily Routines and Digital Boundaries | 5 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Raz probes the tension between monastic values and commercial celebrity, sharing his own family's screen-free Saturday routine. Shetty validates Raz's insight and shares his household digital boundaries. | |
| Audience Q&A: Overcoming Adversity, Managing Anger, and Value Exchange | 3 | 4 | 0 | 0 | Raz reads curated audience questions on managing anger and charging for spiritual teaching. Shetty provides coaching frameworks, explaining why financial commitment creates personal accountability. | |
| Embracing Imposter Syndrome, Humility, and Fortune Over Luck | 3 | 4 | 1 | 0 | When Raz asks whether Shetty attributes his success to strategy or luck, Shetty politely rejects the concept of luck, reframing it through karma and fortune. |
Statements from this episode (20)
Father quit London finance job for two-year global spiritual search
“I saw him, me being at the age of 10, quitting his job in the city to go and pursue this crazy search, at least in my opinion, at 10 years old, of the truth, and that took him to everything from world religions, to Scientology, to Reiki and healing, to just
Yo…”
Shetty got a Source magazine microphone logo neck tattoo at 16
“I was the kid at 16 who got a tattoo on his neck, right? Like that, that was the, and I remember that night I came home I just went and got a tattoo on my neck, and the tattoo I have on my neck is a microphone, and it happens to be the logo of the Source magaz…”
Exhausting material pleasures early gave Shetty confidence to commit to monkhood
“I look back at that time now, and I just think I'm so glad that I did try and push the boundary, for me personally, Because it's what gave me so much confidence when I went completely the other way into my monk life. I didn't feel like I was missing out on any…”
Shetty placed his neck tattoo specifically to hide under collared shirts
“One of the details on the tattoo is that I got it so that I could wear a college shirt, and you wouldn't be able to see it, because in the back of my mind, I knew I'd have to get a real job one day. That kind of conditioning of, you will work in an office, and…”
Shetty split college breaks between a Mumbai ashram and finance internships
“And so I would just go out there, whether it was my Christmas holidays or my summer holidays, and I would just try and spend, whether it was two weeks, whether it was a month, whatever I could get, I would go and be with him. And the other half of it, I'd be i…”
Mumbai ashram monks sleep on floors and share a single gym locker
“You only get two robes. You wear one, you wash the other one. You sleep on the floor on a very thin mat with a covering, and no place is yours in the ashram, so you sleep wherever there's space every night, and someone could take your space. You live outside o…”
Shetty: Sustainable life requires equal split between self-work and service
“The reason why Gauranga Das' path attracted me so much is that half the day was self, and half the day was service. And I saw this as a beautiful formula for life, because I realized that I didn't want a path that was fully solitude, or fully isolated, because…”
Shetty taught mindfulness to 1,000 Accenture consultants on stage in 2014
“And she invited me in 2014 to speak to a group of a thousand consultants on stage about mindfulness.”
Shetty ranked number one globally in social media across 500,000 Accenture employees
“I went on to be the number one social media person at Accenture globally, our 500,000 people. Wow. Working and training our execs and clients on how to use social media for work”
Ten media companies rejected Shetty's video journalist applications for lacking qualifications
“I applied for a trainee video journalist position to try and get my foot through the door, and 10 companies said no. They said you'd have no communications degree. You have no background in media. You're not getting the job.”
Shetty's first four videos for Huffington Post amassed 100 million views
“We put the first video up. It does a million views in a week. We put this, we put the second video up. It does a million views in 24 hours. We put the third video up. It does the same. And those four videos I originally made did a collective hundred million vi…”
Shetty: People only seek mentorship and guidance during major life transitions
“The only time a lot of us seek guidance in our life is in the transition, right? It's in transitions that we seek mentorship and guidance and advice. We don't seek advice when we're in a stable place.”
Shetty was four months from broke despite having 100 million video views
“And in 2017, I had a hundred million views, but I was four months away from being broke. And so I had a hundred million views. We had about 400,000 followers. And I hadn't thought about business, or I hadn't thought about money, because all I was trying to do …”
Shetty's life coaching certification school enrolled 1,000 students in nine months
“And last year we launched my certification school. So last year we spent a year investing in building a fully global accredited certified life coaching school. And our program now in just the first nine months of launching, we've had a thousand people that hav…”
Shetty: Spiritual teachers fail to impact lives without strategic organization
“Often spiritual teachers, guides people who have messages, people have ideas have not been organized or strategic or focused in their sharing. And that means that we can't really get it into people's lives in a practical, accessible, relevant way.”
Shetty wakes at 6 AM daily for two hours of meditation
“So I still meditate for two hours a day, every single morning. I wake up at six. I don't wake up at four. And that dedication in my morning practice, I'm reading the same spiritual texts that I read. I'm 30 minutes every single day to dive deeply into them.”
Shetty lives in a monastery for two to four weeks every year
“Every year I go and live in the monastery for two weeks to four weeks every year still to live with the monks again, to reconnect with them and to reground myself.”
Shetty and his wife ban screens from bedrooms, dining tables, and mornings
“In my home, what we've done is with me and my wife is we have no technology zones and no technology times in our home. So we believe that at the dining table and in the bedroom, that's not the space for technology. And then after we had dinner and then before …”
Shetty: Not charging for teachings lowers commitment and does a disservice
“What I realized is that when people paid for something, there was a commitment... Whereas today, when we pay with our money and our time, we're actually more committed... You're actually doing a disservice to people by not giving them the opportunity to commit…”