Aug 10, 2026 · 1h 5m · how-i-built-this
MadeGood: Salma and Nima Fotovat Lost Their First Business. They Grew Their Next One Into a Snack Giant.
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In this episode of How I Built This, Salma and Nima Fotovat recount fleeing wartime Iran, overcoming the sudden loss of their first snack brand, and leveraging in-house manufacturing expertise to build MadeGood into an allergen-free snack powerhouse.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Guy holds 36.7% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Guy as informed peer 2.7 Guest teaching 1.9 Guest disagreement 0.1 Guy pushing back 0.3
speaking balance: gold is Guy, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 57:24 Nima playful defense of emotional barometer
In a very collegial interview, Nima playfully challenges the idea that data alone should dictate product passion before admitting the company had to mature.
Hardest push from Guy ▶ 53:40 Raz pressing on corporate focusRaz directly challenges Nima on whether launching pet food and keto lines distracted from core brand building instead of staying disciplined.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 25:48 Nima correcting Raz on buyout windfallNima firmly corrects Raz's assumption that the siblings received buyout funds, explaining that the second generation had zero equity and was effectively dismissed empty-handed.
Guy holds their own ▶ 5:03 Raz citing Iran-Iraq war draft age detailsRaz demonstrates comprehensive preparation by citing the IRGC Basij recruitment rules for 13-year-olds and historical conflict statistics to frame the family's flight.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Guy as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Guy pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Growing Up in Wartime Iran and Family Emigration | 5 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Raz demonstrates strong historical background knowledge about the Iran-Iraq war, citing specific details about Basij recruitment age limits and war casualties, which Nima and Salma affirm. | |
| Adjusting to Life and School in Canada | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Raz asks open questions about school transitions and cultural adaptation, while Nima and Salma contrast their differing reactions to Canadian schooling and their parents' nougat hustle. | |
| Pivoting to Co-Packing Fruit and Nut Bars | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | The conversation is an easygoing narrative review of the family pivoting to bar co-packing, with Nima detailing his odd-job beginnings and dropping out of university. | |
| Launching and Scaling Taste of Nature in Canada | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Raz references Kind Bar founder Daniel Lubetzky and the competitive bar market dynamics, while Nima explains how co-packing effectively acted as internal brand financing. | |
| The Sudden and Painful 2012 Business Buyout | 2 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Nima clarifies and corrects Raz's assumption that the siblings received windfall payouts during the buyout, explaining that generation two held no equity and essentially got fired. | |
| Regrouping in the Basement and Evaluating New Concepts | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Salma and Nima recount regrouping in their parents' basement and realizing that abandoning their 15 years of food manufacturing knowledge for a new industry would forfeit their biggest asset. | |
| Mid-Interview Break and Granola Bar Teaser | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Following the midroll break, Nima and Salma explain the market white space of allergen-free, family-oriented granola snacks and their deliberate packaging and naming choices. | |
| Financing and Constructing a Dedicated Allergen-Free Facility | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Raz prompts the founders on the high capital cost of building their own dedicated allergen-free plant instead of co-packing, which Nima and Salma detail and defend. | |
| First Production Run and the Date Code Crisis | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Salma shares the crisis of misdating 200,000 bars for a critical Costco launch and having staff manually erase and restamp date codes using alcohol wipes. | |
| Midroll Transition: Rolling Out the MadeGood Brand | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Raz asks how MadeGood achieved immediate retail velocity despite minimal ad budget, with Nima explaining their localized 100-mile radius guerrilla demo strategy. | |
| US Expansion, Costco Pouches, and Extreme Retail Agility | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Nima and Salma describe their extreme agility in saying yes to difficult retail requests like multi-SKU Costco pizza boxes and pouch conversions. | |
| Diversification with Good to Go and Cookie Pal | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | Raz gently probes Nima on shiny object syndrome and lack of discipline regarding side projects like keto snack Good to Go and dog treats line Cookie Pal. | |
| Evolving from Machinery Intuition to Data-Driven Innovation | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | Raz pushes Nima on whether new SKUs are driven by intuition and machine fascination or hard market data, leading Nima to admit their transition to data-led decisions. | |
| Navigating the 2024 Product Recall Crisis | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Raz and the founders discuss the massive 2.5-million-case recall of 2024 over a brush bristle, which the founders turned into a trust-building, best-in-class customer response. | |
| Current Scale, Ownership Philosophy, and Reflections on Success | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | The episode wraps up with reflection on scale, remaining family-owned caretakers, and attributing their comeback to hard work, resilience, and serendipity. |
Statements from this episode (23)
Iran Banned Boys From Leaving the Country at Age 13 During War
“They actually banned boys from leaving Iran as soon as they turned 13. So you could not leave the country.”
Fotovats Started Nougat Factory Without Food Science Backgrounds
“They rented a 3000 square foot facility, they bought used equipment, they had no food science background, and it sounds simple making nuggets, but making nuggets is extremely difficult.”
Fotovats Pivoted to Snack Bars by Changing Binder Formula
“Given that they were already making bars, they, all they had to do was to remove the nougat as the binder. And create a syrup binder and add fruits and nuts and make a fruit nut bar.”
Taste of Nature Outsold KIND Snacks in Canada Until 2012
“Yes, we were in Canada, so it was not a big market for kind, and until 2012, Taste of Nature was much larger than kind in Canada.”
Contract Manufacturing Generates Cash Flow Like an Outside Investor
“You know, it was, I always say that this private label contract manufacturing is like having an investor because you generate the cash to put into the brand.”
Taste of Nature Crossed $10 Million in Revenue by 2012
“Yeah, it was over 10. We had a hundred employees, you know, we hired HR, we had, like, we started, it was starting to take shape. Departments were starting to take shape in the company.”
Fotovat Family Was Bought Out of Taste of Nature in 2012
“And on July, 26th, 2012, I was on my way to the office, and my dad calls me that says, don't come in. We were just delivered a check, and we were bought out.”
Second-Generation Fotovats Held No Equity During 2012 Buyout
“We were not generation two were not equity owners, so the money went to, it was essentially for my dad, and then there wasn't, let's say, wasn't, this was not a windfall exit”
Industry Experience Outweighs Capital When Restarting a Business
“Whereas if we started doing the same thing, we brought with ourselves the most valuable thing, which was a decade or a decade and a half of experience. And there's no point in throwing that away. Forget about the money. The money was the least important thing …”
Fifty Percent of MadeGood's Household Customers Do Not Have Kids
“Made Good is not a kid-forward brand. It's an all-family, and 50% of our households actually don't have kids.”
Allergen-Free Snack Branding Should Emphasize Taste First
“The other layer of insight that we had was that the allergen free should not be a prominent call out. It's something that it's a background. Yes, we're allergen free, but first and foremost, we taste great.”
MadeGood Packaging Devotes 50% of Front Panel to Its Logo
“Made Good takes up 50% of the front, front panel, and so this was all design disruption that we did to stand out on shelf.”
MadeGood Secured a Rare $2M Pre-Revenue Bank Loan for Manufacturing
“Well, the bank of parents' retirement funds, also, we went to an actual bank and got a loan. We securitized it with the homes that we had, and we went, and it's rare to get pre-revenue loans from a bank. But because they knew us, and they saw what we did befor…”
MadeGood's First Order Was 300,000 Contract-Manufactured Bars for Costco
“Our first order was actually for Costco for a contract manufacturing brand, and it was 300,000 bars.”
Emerging Consumer Brands Should Dominate a 100-Mile Radius Before Expanding
“So I believe in the 100 mile radius marketing strategy. So when we started, we're like, let's make sure we own where we are. So, because we can drive there. If I can drive there, and if my team can drive there, we can merchandise store, we can demo”
MadeGood Achieved Roughly 90% Brand Awareness in Toronto
“And today, I would say our brand awareness in Toronto is incredibly high. Maybe 90% of the people know.”
MadeGood Tested 10 Manhattan Whole Foods Stores Before National Rollout
“The U.S., we get in just into the northeast of one region of Whole Foods, the northeast region of Whole Foods. So we kind of do a little test first in 2015. With 10 stores, 10 top stores in Manhattan, I hire a merchandiser, I hire a demo crew, and I made sure …”
Riverside Natural Foods Aims to Build a House of Brands
“Riverside Is here so that we can become one day a house of brands, and we are looking for creating that next brand that we want to house under Riverside, and that is intentional.”
Riverside's Cookie Pal Pet Treats Are Human-Grade and Edible
“Yes, so right now, Cookie Pal, you can eat Cookie Pal yourself, or you can give it, and you can give it to your dog.”
MadeGood Manufactures Products In-House Rather Than Using Co-Packers
“We have to make it. We're not co-packing it. That's the thing that makes it difficult. Like, every time we have an idea, we have to build the capability from ground up.”
Best-in-Class 2024 Product Recall Actually Improved MadeGood's Relationships
“Yeah, I think the silver lining is that our relationship with our customers is so much better, because every time we go there, they're like, this was a best-in-class recall.”