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Dec 13, 2022 · 17m · catalyst

The trends shaping the energy transition [partner content]

Nick Broad · 5m spoken Marion Hill · 5m spoken
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DNV energy leaders Nick Broad and Marion Hill analyze the evolving supply and demand dynamics of the global energy transition, addressing multi-billion-dollar investments, supply chain and regulatory roadblocks, and the imperative for social equity.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Shayle holds 23.6% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Shayle as informed peer 3.3 Guest teaching 3.5 Guest disagreement 1.0 Shayle pushing back 1.0
05100:0010:002:52–7:53 · Shayle as informed peer 4/10 Modern Demand-Side Management and Granular Control Shayle Kann frames open-ended inquiries around renewable project scale, COVID supply disruptions, and demand response. Marion Hill and Nick Broad provide granular breakdowns of project finance portfolios and supply chain bottlenecks.7:54–10:59 · Shayle as informed peer 3/10 Navigating Permitting, Interconnection, and Digitalization Challenges Kann prompts the guests on long-term systemic barriers to scaling renewables and demand efficiency. Hill highlights interconnection and permitting delays, while Broad details slow utility regulatory cycles, contractor resistance, and equity challenges.10:59–14:22 · Shayle as informed peer 3/10 Embedding Community Equity and Governance in Renewable Projects Kann explores community equity in renewable development and asks what drives the guests optimism. Hill discusses local governance and equity models while Broad points to the Inflation Reduction Act and shifting public engagement.14:23–16:27 · Shayle as informed peer 3/10 Major Industry Storylines of 2022 and the Horizon for 2023 Kann asks the guests to identify the defining storylines of 2022 and what to expect in 2023. Broad underscores European energy security and the IRA, while Hill emphasizes supply chain retooling and multi-fold capacity acceleration.2:52–7:53 · Guest teaching 4/10 Modern Demand-Side Management and Granular Control Shayle Kann frames open-ended inquiries around renewable project scale, COVID supply disruptions, and demand response. Marion Hill and Nick Broad provide granular breakdowns of project finance portfolios and supply chain bottlenecks.7:54–10:59 · Guest teaching 4/10 Navigating Permitting, Interconnection, and Digitalization Challenges Kann prompts the guests on long-term systemic barriers to scaling renewables and demand efficiency. Hill highlights interconnection and permitting delays, while Broad details slow utility regulatory cycles, contractor resistance, and equity challenges.10:59–14:22 · Guest teaching 3/10 Embedding Community Equity and Governance in Renewable Projects Kann explores community equity in renewable development and asks what drives the guests optimism. Hill discusses local governance and equity models while Broad points to the Inflation Reduction Act and shifting public engagement.14:23–16:27 · Guest teaching 3/10 Major Industry Storylines of 2022 and the Horizon for 2023 Kann asks the guests to identify the defining storylines of 2022 and what to expect in 2023. Broad underscores European energy security and the IRA, while Hill emphasizes supply chain retooling and multi-fold capacity acceleration.2:52–7:53 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Modern Demand-Side Management and Granular Control Shayle Kann frames open-ended inquiries around renewable project scale, COVID supply disruptions, and demand response. Marion Hill and Nick Broad provide granular breakdowns of project finance portfolios and supply chain bottlenecks.7:54–10:59 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Navigating Permitting, Interconnection, and Digitalization Challenges Kann prompts the guests on long-term systemic barriers to scaling renewables and demand efficiency. Hill highlights interconnection and permitting delays, while Broad details slow utility regulatory cycles, contractor resistance, and equity challenges.10:59–14:22 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Embedding Community Equity and Governance in Renewable Projects Kann explores community equity in renewable development and asks what drives the guests optimism. Hill discusses local governance and equity models while Broad points to the Inflation Reduction Act and shifting public engagement.14:23–16:27 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Major Industry Storylines of 2022 and the Horizon for 2023 Kann asks the guests to identify the defining storylines of 2022 and what to expect in 2023. Broad underscores European energy security and the IRA, while Hill emphasizes supply chain retooling and multi-fold capacity acceleration.2:52–7:53 · Shayle pushing back 1/10 Modern Demand-Side Management and Granular Control Shayle Kann frames open-ended inquiries around renewable project scale, COVID supply disruptions, and demand response. Marion Hill and Nick Broad provide granular breakdowns of project finance portfolios and supply chain bottlenecks.7:54–10:59 · Shayle pushing back 1/10 Navigating Permitting, Interconnection, and Digitalization Challenges Kann prompts the guests on long-term systemic barriers to scaling renewables and demand efficiency. Hill highlights interconnection and permitting delays, while Broad details slow utility regulatory cycles, contractor resistance, and equity challenges.10:59–14:22 · Shayle pushing back 1/10 Embedding Community Equity and Governance in Renewable Projects Kann explores community equity in renewable development and asks what drives the guests optimism. Hill discusses local governance and equity models while Broad points to the Inflation Reduction Act and shifting public engagement.14:23–16:27 · Shayle pushing back 1/10 Major Industry Storylines of 2022 and the Horizon for 2023 Kann asks the guests to identify the defining storylines of 2022 and what to expect in 2023. Broad underscores European energy security and the IRA, while Hill emphasizes supply chain retooling and multi-fold capacity acceleration.

speaking balance: gold is Shayle, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Shayle 65% · guest 35%0:00 · Shayle 65% · guest 35%3:00 · Shayle 16.9% · guest 83.1%3:00 · Shayle 16.9% · guest 83.1%6:00 · Shayle 9.4% · guest 90.6%6:00 · Shayle 9.4% · guest 90.6%9:00 · Shayle 5.2% · guest 94.8%9:00 · Shayle 5.2% · guest 94.8%12:00 · Shayle 22.9% · guest 77.1%12:00 · Shayle 22.9% · guest 77.1%15:00 · Shayle 25.7% · guest 74.3%15:00 · Shayle 25.7% · guest 74.3%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 9:45 Contractor resistance and transition equity barriers

In a very collegial discussion, Broad highlights the friction of entrenched installer mentalities pushing gas furnaces over heat pumps and notes equity risks if low-income consumers are left behind.

 Hardest push from Shayle ▶ 14:23 Putting guests on the spot for annual takeaways

Kann actively presses the guests to isolate the single biggest narrative shifts from 2022 and direct forecasts for 2023.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 5:07 Rethinking full project lifecycles post-IRA

Hill educates on how post-IRA market dynamics force every stage from permitting, interconnection, and financing to be restructured.

 Shayle holds their own ▶ 4:45 Framing financing and supply chain constraints

Kann demonstrates strong sector knowledge by identifying COVID-driven labor and supply chain disruptions affecting project financing.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicShayle as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementShayle pushing backWhy
Modern Demand-Side Management and Granular Control 4411 Shayle Kann frames open-ended inquiries around renewable project scale, COVID supply disruptions, and demand response. Marion Hill and Nick Broad provide granular breakdowns of project finance portfolios and supply chain bottlenecks.
Navigating Permitting, Interconnection, and Digitalization Challenges 3411 Kann prompts the guests on long-term systemic barriers to scaling renewables and demand efficiency. Hill highlights interconnection and permitting delays, while Broad details slow utility regulatory cycles, contractor resistance, and equity challenges.
Embedding Community Equity and Governance in Renewable Projects 3311 Kann explores community equity in renewable development and asks what drives the guests optimism. Hill discusses local governance and equity models while Broad points to the Inflation Reduction Act and shifting public engagement.
Major Industry Storylines of 2022 and the Horizon for 2023 3311 Kann asks the guests to identify the defining storylines of 2022 and what to expect in 2023. Broad underscores European energy security and the IRA, while Hill emphasizes supply chain retooling and multi-fold capacity acceleration.

Statements from this episode (7)

Prediction Not checkable as stated
Broad: Energy efficiency is shifting toward hyper-localized peak reduction
“What we're seeing and what I expect to see a lot more of is a shift to saying, you know, we need to see a peak reduction between seven PM and nine PM in these eight zip codes or these feeder circuits.”
Nick Broad Dec 13, 2022 ▶ 3:06
Assertion Supported
Hill cites multi-billion dollar project financings across wind and solar
“When we look at the size of the offshore wind portfolio, Vineyard Wind secured 2.3 billion dollar loan for their vineyard financing. Our NG recently closed an eight hundred million Dollar loan for a portfolio of wind and solar assets, or Intersect Power that s…”
Marion Hill Dec 13, 2022 ▶ 3:50
Opinion
Hill: Clean energy financing sizes are reaching oil and gas scale
“These are tremendous size of portfolios and financings that really starting to reflect the size of financing in oil and gas or nuclear industries, and attracting some major larger players to come into the space and be able to write these type of check sizes.”
Marion Hill Dec 13, 2022 ▶ 4:14
Prediction Didn’t hold up
Hill: 2023 renewable installations will drop significantly below 2022 levels
“We'll see a much lower install capacity in twenty-twenty-three of renewables than in twenty-twenty-two, or than what was projected due to supply chain constraints.”
Marion Hill Dec 13, 2022 ▶ 5:08
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Broad: Dozens of giant energy projects stalled by equipment and labor shortages
“We have dozens of Quantitative examples of giant projects that won't complete, won't happen because of, you know, you just can't get the chiller, or you can't find the people to do the installations, and that is systemic everywhere.”
Nick Broad Dec 13, 2022 ▶ 6:44
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hill: Digital Startups Are Raising Major VC to Streamline Interconnection
“There's new, a lot of new digital startups at VentureCap raising tremendous amount of capital right now to rethink the entire process and ensure that we have better data at every step of the process to make it more efficient.”
Marion Hill Dec 13, 2022 ▶ 8:28
Opinion
Broad: Two-year pilots scaling in five are too slow for energy transition
“You know, piloting things for Two years to see if they work, to see if they can then scale in five is not fast enough. It's, it can work, but not, not from a scale perspective.”
Nick Broad Dec 13, 2022 ▶ 9:06
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