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O'Leary: Forced liquidity will drive down private market marks
“I don't know that that's going to be the reality that gets experienced, and at a certain point, you're going to have to create liquidity. And it may mean that you're going to see marks coming down. It may mean that you see folks willing to show their hand on w…”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 54:44 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Opinion
O'Leary: Private market outperformance in 2022 was merely volatility laundering
“Anybody with a private book looks like a genius, but really you're just a volatility laundering.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 59:04 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Insight
O'Leary: Founders talking over new CIOs destroys succession confidence
“And I said, when you do that, zero LPs in the room believe that you have a succession plan.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 43:12 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Disclosure
O'Leary: I have ordered fund CIOs to stop talking during diligence
“There's been meetings where I've invited the chief investment officer of an organization to stop talking because he's being significantly less effective than I think if I heard from the staff.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 47:10 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Opinion
O'Leary: Nonprofit LPs act as reputation laundering for investment managers
“Having nonprofits and squeaky wheels like myself on your cap table is a little bit of reputation laundering”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 50:43 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Opinion
O'Leary: I would love market volatility despite board aversion
“It's not a popular opinion that I would say to say like a board or a committee, but I would love some volatility.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 58:34 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Opinion
O'Leary: AI is bubblicious and could trigger public market volatility
“AI is a little bubblicious. We started to see a little bit of the potential fall that can happen if it turns out the thesis of AI is that you have to spend a hundred and eighty billion dollars on chips every 18 months. If that's not correct, maybe some of that…”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 59:16 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Insight
O'Leary: Professionals often mistake rapid honesty for bluntness
“I think that people mistake Rapid honesty with bluntness. And my goal in communication is let's not beat around the bush. We don't know what's going to happen next. We're planning for a long-term relationship with manager ABC. We're planning for these assets t…”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 9:24 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Insight
O'Leary: Presentation skills differentiate career analysts from senior leadership
“Things that differentiate individuals who are gonna be a perfect analyst forever do include that presentation ability, that executive presence, and frankly, that desire. Managing people is hard. Managing sideways to your executive leadership peers is work. Man…”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 16:45 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Insight
O'Leary: Manager behavior reveals investment process and partnership fit
“If you don't spend a little of that time getting to know folks, understanding how they think, how they operate, that not only informs their investment thought process and how they treat their staff, how they approach their underlying assets, it's a really good…”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 20:34 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Insight
O'Leary: Direct LP feedback to founders relieves internal IR teams
“And generally what I find with those tough conversations is that this is a huge relief for the IR staff and the business development professionals is they know what the issues are. They would rather they have an allocator come in and be like, hey, I know what …”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 21:58 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Disclosure
O'Leary: Foundation ensures endowment investments align with grant making
“And we are also very intentional and active in that portfolio about ensuring that the investments and the managers that we're choosing there Are not invested in ways that are in conflict with our grant making.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 24:23 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Insight
O'Leary: Engaging disengaged boards requires private wealth management communication skills
“The skills are exactly the same, because all of it is talking to the human's head. Whether you're in a board member who tunes out when the investment person starts talking, or you're the non-financial spouse, those are the same responses, and I'm going to use …”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 26:02 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Insight
O'Leary: Meeting allocators outside fundraising enables non-transactional relationships
“What I appreciate is when folks come in when they're not fundraising, it sets up a fundamentally non-transactional relationship, or can, obviously not always.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 31:49 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Disclosure
O'Leary: Foundation manager diligence takes at least six months
“A diligence process from when we meet you to when we make an investment decision at the fastest is six months.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 34:11 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Insight
O'Leary: Allocators learn most about firms from non-executive staff
“And we learn a lot by interviewing not the top brass. You can learn a lot about a firm by how they treat the staff.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 34:49 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Insight
O'Leary: Having managers pitch a teenager exposes their true character
“What was so interesting to me was the shift in language, the shift in how they talked about the strategy, the degree of care and interest in explaining it to a seventeen-year-old revealed A lot about the nature of the people that I was meeting with, some of wh…”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 36:40 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Insight
O'Leary: Hedge funds must have empowered risk managers to discipline traders
“You need a risk manager at a hedge fund, someone who oversees all of it and understands positioning and is willing to take trader's To task. One, you need to have the right person. Two, you have to empower that person.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 38:12 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Disclosure
O'Leary: Diligence pauses immediately if a manager dodges a question
“The experience gets baked into the process by us ensuring that if I don't get an answer, There's two other folks on this relationship that are gonna ask the same question, point out that it hasn't been answered, and it basically empowered us to be a lot bolder…”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 38:58 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Insight
O'Leary: Getting managers to reveal concealed truths is 90% of diligence
“I think holding people's feet to the fire on tough stuff, like the conversation around the succession planning, those conversations where this is a safe venue for us to talk about hard things and really having managers understand that, and then feeling empower…”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 39:37 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Insight
O'Leary: Many aging fund co-founders lack robust succession planning
“There's a lot of co-founders out there in their sixties and seventies. Some have done robust planning. Many have not. A few have attempted some planning and then had to back up the truck and start over again a few times.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 40:10 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Insight
O'Leary: LPs should stick with founder issues if next-gen leadership is better
“The reason you decide to work through that situation is the next tier of leadership is excellent. Their overall investment process is actually even better than the original co-founders.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 43:56 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Insight
O'Leary: A communication void exists between allocators and managers
“There's a communication void between, I think, the allocator community and the managers. The IR folks generally are pretty well aware of what that gap is. It's that they have a hard time, I think, sometimes solving for X with whoever the investment professiona…”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 47:59 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Insight
O'Leary: Many allocators refuse to share pacing schedules with managers
“So I bump into allocators who do not provide managers with any information of any kind. They don't want to say what they're looking for this year. They don't want to tell a manager that your category is a priority or not a priority this year. They're not inter…”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 48:26 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Insight
O'Leary: Fund managers seek endowments for stickier capital
“They're looking to add endowment and foundation, which tends to be sticky, and particularly organizations that have an in-house team. Because then you're building the relationship directly with the client as opposed to going through an intermediary.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 50:09 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Opinion
O'Leary: Private markets won't move until buyer-seller standoff resolves
“And I just think, until we resolve what still looks to me like a standoff between buyers and sellers, it's not gonna move.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 54:19 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Assertion Supported
O'Leary: Big tech concentration affects global equity indices beyond the US
“In these large technology securities in the public markets that impacts all of the indices. It's not just the U.S. Indices. It's worked its way all the way through ACQUI-IMI.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 55:31 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Disclosure
O'Leary: Foundation shifting to negative consent to access fast-closing funds
“One of the things that we're bringing through our committee is a shift from affirmative consent to negative consent.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 57:47 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Insight
O'Leary: Closed body language in presentations makes audiences uncomfortable
“Take up more space, and the smaller you are, the more space you need to take up, because you're making the audience uncomfortable, even if you don't know that you are.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 15:37 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Insight
O'Leary: Eliminating uptalk is essential for projecting authority
“And so if you want folks to trust you and take what you're saying authoritatively, can't have the uptalk. Got to salt that out of there.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 15:59 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Insight
O'Leary: Jettisoning investment jargon engages non-financial stakeholders
“And probably the most successful thing I ever did was attempt to jettison as much of the investment industry lingo as I possibly could, because it was really clear to me that when the investment person comes in and starts talking, people get out their phones b…”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 17:54 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Assertion Not checkable as stated
O'Leary: Foundation investment team turned over 100% twice before her arrival
“I came in after the investment team had essentially turned over a hundred percent twice.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 24:44 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Insight
O'Leary: Philanthropic foundations often disconnect grantmaking from endowment investments
“At the time, too, there was also not a lot of connective tissue between the grant side of the house and the investment side of the house, and I think that's pretty common in philanthropy to see.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 27:56 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Disclosure
O'Leary: St. Paul Foundation uses a roles-based asset allocation framework
“We ended up shifting from the bucketed model to a roles-based allocation, which is almost like a total portfolio approach. And so we've got our growth allocation, we have our diversifying assets, and then we have a real assets allocation.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 29:21 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Disclosure
O'Leary: Foundation allocates 65% to growth assets to fund 5% spending
“On the gross side though, because we're trying to support at five percent spending policy while offsetting inflation over time, that's always going to be the biggest chunk of this portfolio. It is a big risk budget. So, 65% where we're seeking higher return, a…”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 29:40 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Disclosure
O'Leary: Foundation maintains a fifty-fifty liquid to illiquid asset split
“We don't have the flexibility of, say, a college endowment, so you've got to have enough liquidity built in there, and then obviously we're looking for that return. That bucket is probably fifty-fifty in terms of liquid versus non-liquid.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 31:23 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Disclosure
O'Leary: St. Paul Foundation will reduce commitment sizes in 2025 and 2026
“Obviously, our ticket size is going to be smaller in 2025 and probably 2026 as well.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 53:57 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Assertion Supported
O'Leary: Saint Paul Foundation is Minnesota's largest community foundation
“So St. Paul Minnesota Foundation is one of many community foundations in the state. We are the largest. We are statewide, which is a bit unique.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 23:31 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Disclosure
O'Leary: Foundation shifted from consultant-driven to team-led investment model
“What I came into was functionally a very consultant-driven model, and we had an opportunity to shift from that consultant-driven model to a team-led approach. Which is what we've done.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 25:27 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Disclosure
O'Leary: Foundation secures core anchor managers before adding satellite positions
“We're going to do some of the standard seasoned managers that are going to be In a lot of cases, core positions in most portfolios will have some of that, and I think that's a fine strategy to have, especially in some of the slices of the portfolio where we're…”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 52:30 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Disclosure
O'Leary: St. Paul Foundation manages assets for 200+ nonprofits
“We also manage assets for more than 200 nonprofits. We're effectively their outsource CIO.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 56:06 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
Assertion Not checkable as stated
O'Leary: Foundation had zero access to constrained managers in 2019
“We did not have any access to constrained managers in 2019.”
Shannon O'Leary Mar 10, 2025 ▶ 58:05 Shannon O'Leary – Relationship Capital Investing at St. Paul & Minnesota Foundation (EP.435)
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