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Morfit: Financial segment disclosures reflect internal bureaucracy, not true unit economics
“Financials are reported out as a function of the bureaucracy of the company, not necessarily as a function of the real economics of the business. So the segment disclosures you're getting are not necessarily the true economic picture, but if you're a good secu…”
Mason Morfit Sep 29, 2025 ▶ 27:22 Mason Morfit and Rob Hale – Quiet Activism at ValueAct (EP.462)
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Wagner: Slow-moving climate risk creates mispricings against volatile annual reinsurance swings
“Year to year, you don't have big changes in the risk of a large hurricane. Over 10 years, 20 years you do, which is kind of what we've seen, but it's a slow moving increase in risk. That's what's fascinating to us is because you can have these year to year cha…”
Herb Wagner Sep 22, 2025 ▶ 55:05 Herb Wagner – Opportunistic Value at Finepoint Capital (EP.460)
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Seides: Allocating to private equity is now mostly about diversification, not alpha
“I think most of it today is about diversification. It used to be the case that you only participated in these alt strategies for alpha.”
Ted Seides Sep 8, 2025 ▶ 19:14 Ted on Alt Goes Mainstream (EP.458)
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Arndt: Not enough alpha exists globally to actively deploy a $45B equity book
“Today the equity book is maybe forty-five billion dollars, and we're just not going to find enough skill out there in the world to invest forty-five billion dollars”
Raphael Arndt Sep 1, 2025 ▶ 39:51 CIO Greatest Hits: Sovereign Wealth Funds – Raphael Arndt (Australia Future Fund)
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Converting cash-pay debt to PIK is a definitive signal of distress
“If you're restructuring your deals where you're converting some of your current cash into PIC, there's only one reason you're doing it. You're doing it because the company doesn't have the free cash flow to service your loans.”
Ron Cantowitz Jul 17, 2025 ▶ 37:09 Ron Kantowitz – Direct Lending's Evolution and Invesco's Edge (EP.457)
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Sullivan: Parachuting former Fortune 500 CEOs into small buyout boards fails
“I think one thing we learned pretty quickly was not straightforward to bring in a guy who'd been a successful CEO at a big Fortune 500 company and have him parachute into an LBO situation as a board member or operating partner. You had to find people with the …”
Tim Sullivan Jul 14, 2025 ▶ 11:41 Tim Sullivan – Yale's Private Portfolio (EP.456)
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Sullivan: 40 years of PE returns were driven by falling interest rates
“Some of the success that our managers generated in the nineties and the first half of the 2000 was due to equity multiples going up in general. The whole 40 years until very recently was a story of declining interest rates and multiples ought to go up in a mar…”
Tim Sullivan Jul 14, 2025 ▶ 24:30 Tim Sullivan – Yale's Private Portfolio (EP.456)
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Sullivan: Founders, not VCs, control modern late-stage startup exit timelines
“The biggest problem is they're not really in the hands of the venture capitalists. They're in the hands of the entrepreneurs. If you're an entrepreneur who doesn't want to bother being a public company, they're real questions for institutions about how do they…”
Tim Sullivan Jul 14, 2025 ▶ 32:18 Tim Sullivan – Yale's Private Portfolio (EP.456)
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Sullivan: Scaling buyout funds suffer Peter Principle as target companies grow
“The challenge along the way is that sometimes the skill set that works with the small company is not Applicable to the bigger company. Also, bigger companies tend to be better managed, so maybe there's less you can do with them while you own them. There is a P…”
Tim Sullivan Jul 14, 2025 ▶ 38:10 Tim Sullivan – Yale's Private Portfolio (EP.456)
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Sullivan: A $5B fund at 15% pays far more carry than $500M at 30%
“The carried interest on a five billion dollar fund compounding at 15% return is a lot more than the carried interest on a five hundred million dollar fund compounding at a 30% rate return. Plus, obviously, the fees are 10 X.”
Tim Sullivan Jul 14, 2025 ▶ 40:29 Tim Sullivan – Yale's Private Portfolio (EP.456)
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Sullivan: Buyout managers anchor to cost basis instead of cutting bad deals
“They get too anchored to cost as a measure of value, and if they can't get cost, they're going to do whatever they can to get their cost back, and in fact, they might be better off to sell an investment that is not going to perform well no matter how long you …”
Tim Sullivan Jul 14, 2025 ▶ 51:00 Tim Sullivan – Yale's Private Portfolio (EP.456)
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Sullivan: GP-led secondaries fail to do limited partners a true service
“The problem, from my standpoint, is we always thought at Yale, one of the reasons we hire these guys is because they know when's the right time to sell an asset. And we're sort of relying on them to do that. And then if they default that decision back to us an…”
Tim Sullivan Jul 14, 2025 ▶ 53:13 Tim Sullivan – Yale's Private Portfolio (EP.456)
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Sullivan: Private equity sells winners in 4 years and holds losers for 12
“What winds up happening is the good businesses get sold in three or four years. The bad businesses hang around for 10 or 12 years. The GPs just think, well, I can fix this, and two years from now it'll be better, and a lot of times when an asset isn't performi…”
Tim Sullivan Jul 14, 2025 ▶ 1:01:37 Tim Sullivan – Yale's Private Portfolio (EP.456)
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Ovitz: The lens for evaluating tech founders and creative artists is identical
“Nothing. I had founders start with an idea, and usually nothing else. Let's put off to the side a technical founder who may have come up with a fabulous algorithm that no one else has, but he still has to have an idea for it. What's he gonna do with it? What's…”
Michael Ovitz Jul 7, 2025 ▶ 34:34 Michael Ovitz – Reinventing Talent and Building Momentum at Treville (EP.455)
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Whelan: Percentage-based private market targets cause pro-cyclical over-allocation
“Early days at Yale, we were targeting market value as a percentage. And so when you're in a bubble, it tells you to over allocate at the top and under allocate when you're in the bottom. So we changed that to grow every client's portfolio by their expected ret…”
Casey Whalen Jun 30, 2025 ▶ 10:00 Friends Reunion 3 – Five Allocators Riff on Investing (EP.454)
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deVeer: Lead private credit lenders hold a free call option on companies
“The point is you have this free call option as a lender to own companies if you have to. And if you're lending to good companies and you control your outcomes, where you're a lead investor, you can probably get to better resolutions.”
Kipp deVeer Jun 2, 2025 ▶ 24:48 Kipp deVeer – Scaling for Private Wealth Globally in Credit (Private Wealth 5, EP.449)
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DeVeer: Pro-Cyclical Retail Credit Capital Inherently Risks Underwriting Discipline
“I would not want 75% of my credit capital to be in a pro-cyclical structure like this, which it inherently is, and that's where you can lose discipline.”
Kipp deVeer Jun 2, 2025 ▶ 38:33 Kipp deVeer – Scaling for Private Wealth Globally in Credit (Private Wealth 5, EP.449)
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Wealth clients prefer 8-10% evergreen funds over 11-14% drawdown lockups
“For managers that are in the, what I call, no man's land, And this is what I mean by that. Your returns are somewhere between 11 to 14% net returns is what you've delivered, and you are looking to lock up your capital for 10 to 15 years, and no one ever ends o…”
Kristin Kolurgis-Roland May 26, 2025 ▶ 42:47 Kristin Kallergis Rowland – Alts at J.P. Morgan's Private Bank (Private Wealth 4, EP.447)
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The optimal private markets portfolio contains between 22 and 27 funds
“And they've realized that in private markets, for example, the optimal number of funds in a portfolio should actually be between It's like 22 and 27 funds, where as we started shifting there and offering more choice, our clients were like, aren't you diluting …”
Kristin Kolurgis-Roland May 26, 2025 ▶ 49:19 Kristin Kallergis Rowland – Alts at J.P. Morgan's Private Bank (Private Wealth 4, EP.447)
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Mogelof: Daily Liquidity for Private Markets Erodes the Illiquidity Premium
“If you're going to do that, then you need to have some liquidity function, and that always is going to come at a cost. It could be an explicit cost, it could be an implicit cost, but at the end of the day, you can't magically say something that's illiquid is l…”
Eric Mogelof May 19, 2025 ▶ 43:49 Eric Mogelof – KKR's Pivot to Private Wealth (Private Wealth 3, EP.446)
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Papic: Policy second derivatives matter more than data in policy-induced recessions
“In policy-induced recessions, what really matters is the second derivative in policy, not data.”
Marko Papic Apr 14, 2025 ▶ 24:09 Geopolitical Uncertainty – James Aitken, Louis-Vincent Gave, and Marko Papic (EP.440)
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Papic: Markets React to Rate of Change in Geopolitical Risk, Not Absolute Levels
“One of the things that I think is very important as investors start to incorporate politics and geopolitics more and more into their toolbox is just to understand that while you as a human being really cares about absolute levels of risk, the market is not hum…”
Marko Papic Apr 14, 2025 ▶ 1:02:28 Geopolitical Uncertainty – James Aitken, Louis-Vincent Gave, and Marko Papic (EP.440)
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Marks: Private credit draws down less because valuations ignore market psychology
“Private credit and other private assets do not mark to market in the sense of reflecting the swings of psychology. When you go through a tough period and high yield bonds are down 10% and private credits down two percent, I think that's the explanation.”
Howard Marks Apr 7, 2025 ▶ 26:22 Howard Marks – Navigating Private Credit (EP.439)
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Howard Marks: Private credit managers like avoiding mark-to-market accounting during downturns
“The people who run these funds Pretty much like the fact that they don't mark the market, because then in the bad times when the headlines in the papers are so negative, they don't have to go to the treasurer of the organization and say, we're down 10%. They c…”
Howard Marks Apr 7, 2025 ▶ 29:23 Howard Marks – Navigating Private Credit (EP.439)
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Marks: Leveraged buyout math breaks down when borrowing costs hit 10%
“In the 20 teens, you could borrow money at six percent to do private equity deals. Now you have to pay it probably a nine to 10. Well, if you're going to buy a company and make 10 or 11% a year, you have to pay nine to 10% for the money, then a leveraged acqui…”
Howard Marks Apr 7, 2025 ▶ 36:57 Howard Marks – Navigating Private Credit (EP.439)
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Reynolds: LPs Avoid Direct Public Stock Picking but Co-Invest in Risky Privates
“Very few institutional investors organizations are actively managing public equity portfolios. They're not choosing stocks directly, but almost all of them are choosing in private companies directly and co-investing in companies where they have less informatio…”
Megan Reynolds Mar 31, 2025 ▶ 1:03:39 Meghan Reynolds – Art of Capital Formation (EP.438)
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Separating asset allocators from governance oversight enables necessary boldness
“Career risk aversion drives a lot of behavior, and Bill felt to the extent you could put some distance between the asset allocator and the oversight or governance group, you had a shot at allowing the CIO to be more bold, because Bill always said, boldness is …”
Ed Grefenstette Mar 24, 2025 ▶ 25:48 Ed Grefenstette – Bold Allocations at The Dietrich Foundation (EP.437)
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Public equity offers lower expected returns as the price of liquidity
“I think private equity is true equity return, and public equity is a discounted or a lower expected return.”
Ed Grefenstette Mar 24, 2025 ▶ 30:44 Ed Grefenstette – Bold Allocations at The Dietrich Foundation (EP.437)
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Multi-billion VC funds need 50% concentration in few winners to 4x
“When they see a company they've backed in the seed in Series A, they will lean in hard on the subsequent Rounds to the point where at the end of portfolio construction, they might have 40, 50% of the fund in three or four companies. That, to us, is exactly how…”
Ed Grefenstette Mar 24, 2025 ▶ 57:08 Ed Grefenstette – Bold Allocations at The Dietrich Foundation (EP.437)
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Zorub: Teams should reject ideas lacking potential for 5% to 7% sizing
“Mediocre ideas tend to cancel each other out in the end, and they consume a lot of time and bandwidth, and so core to our process is I tell the team, don't spend any time on something that we don't think has the characteristics of becoming a large idea. Now, i…”
David Zorub Mar 3, 2025 ▶ 29:48 David Zorub - Navigating Hedge Fund Headwinds at Parsifal (EP.434)
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Charles: Market shifts impact PE firms by scale level more than strategy
“Changes in the market impact firms that share a level a lot more than firms that share the same strategy. That's pretty unique. A level eight infrastructure firm and a level eight buyout firm are impacted by the market in more similar ways Than a level two and…”
Ian Charles Feb 10, 2025 ▶ 14:28 Ian Charles - Private Equity's New Rules (EP.431)
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Charles: PE buyers are now suspicious of assets sold without continuation vehicles
“Well, now, if I'm a sponsor, and I'm getting a book from another sponsor, and they're not CV-ing it, I'm a little suspicious.”
Ian Charles Feb 10, 2025 ▶ 34:39 Ian Charles - Private Equity's New Rules (EP.431)
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Green: In outbound VC sourcing, responsive companies are usually low-performing
“And we had a rule at Bessemer. If the company called you back, it really sucked. It was the CEO you call every two days for a month. That's the CEO you want to get on the phone.”
Mitchell Green Jan 27, 2025 ▶ 10:28 Mitchell Green - Lead Edge of Harnessing Networks (EP.429)
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Green: Preferred stock in capital-efficient software creates strong downside protection
“If you build a business with 20 of revenue, you're growing 30. And you've only burned three million bucks. You're doing something right. And if we can get in there and own preferred stock at the top of the cap structure, and it's recurring and has 80% gross ma…”
Mitchell Green Jan 27, 2025 ▶ 24:16 Mitchell Green - Lead Edge of Harnessing Networks (EP.429)
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Farber: Early one-off horizontal drilling boosted short-term output but damaged ultimate recoveries
“One of the ways that a lot of our peers adopted was when horizontal drilling was quite early, before we had really refined the well design and the fracking methodology, people went and drilled a lot of one-off horizontals in virgin acreage on drilling units th…”
Jonathan Farber Jan 20, 2025 ▶ 35:40 Striking Oil – CrownRock by Lime Rock Capital (EP.428)
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Farber: Private equity investors irrationally sell 3x to 5x winners too early
“There's an anchoring effect in private equity, like in every area of investing, that is not rational. It's a very real and tangible thing. In our business, That's manifested by people looking at a three bagger or five bagger and saying, well, that's a great de…”
Jonathan Farber Jan 20, 2025 ▶ 41:16 Striking Oil – CrownRock by Lime Rock Capital (EP.428)
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Farber: CrownRock exit driven by completion tech reaching theoretical maximums
“There's only so much resource that you're ultimately going to recover, and we just felt like we were getting closer to the sort of maximum economic recovery point, and that, that changed the risk calculus. You had this big asset, you had market risk in retaini…”
Jonathan Farber Jan 20, 2025 ▶ 48:02 Striking Oil – CrownRock by Lime Rock Capital (EP.428)
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Peters: Equities Drive 90% of Institutional Portfolio Risk
“If you look at the real risk in their portfolio, it's probably 90% driven by equities, and it comes in all sorts of different forms, private equity, public equity, credit. You end up with portfolios that there's just one risk factor, which is equities.”
Eric Peters Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 19:30 Eric Peters - Paradigm Shifts and Solutions at One River (EP.422)
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Bank: $5B VC funds must capture rare generational companies
“And if you're raising five billion, just multiply all those figures. You basically need one of five generational companies within that portfolio to meet the return bar.”
Matt Bank Nov 25, 2024 ▶ 57:25 Matt Bank - "GEMs" of Risk, Asset Allocation, and Manager Selection (EP.419)
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Bessent: Microeconomic company data drives macro decisions better than aggregate models
“My style, still the Duquesne style, is that the micro drives the macro. We can get a huge amount of information from what companies are telling us. We can't predict the PCE deflator better than anybody. We can't have a better model for LEI, but if trucking com…”
Scott Bessent Nov 4, 2024 ▶ 21:30 Scott Bessent - Macro Maven (EP.415)
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Sandler: In late 2019, short-term stock movements detached from fundamentals
“What we began to notice in 2019 was stocks were behaving unpredictably, even if you really knew the fundamentals. It was as if the things that we were doing in the short run Didn't matter at all.”
Ricky Sandler Oct 28, 2024 ▶ 34:36 Ricky Sandler - Evolution of Long-Short Equity Investing (EP.414)
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Miller: Point-source CCS yields PE returns only in pure-CO2 industries
“Really where you want to focus in carbon capture are in industries that emit pure CO₂ as an industrial byproduct. Industrial accident is a better way to think about it. So those are really ethanol plants, ammonia, so fertilizer, and then natural gas processing…”
Matt Miller Oct 14, 2024 ▶ 31:17 Matt Miller – Crossing the Energy Divide at Grey Rock (EP.412)
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Nesbitt: Unfunded primary commitments will cause PE interval funds to fail
“If you use the typical institutional playbook, you can't, okay? If you're doing primaries, you got these big unfunded commitments, that implementation approach will not work. You're going to get yourself in trouble. But first of all, you've changed strategy on…”
Steve Nesbitt Oct 7, 2024 ▶ 35:53 Stephen Nesbitt – Innovation in Private Markets for RIAs (EP.410)
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Salem: Throwing a golf club should immediately disqualify an asset manager
“If you get on a golf course and you see a manager that you either have money with or might consider giving money to, And they hit a bad shot and they throw their golf club. Disqualifying. Disqualifying for business, for managing money. Why? Because they can't …”
David Salem Sep 30, 2024 ▶ 20:01 David Salem - Investment Wisdom from the Owner's Box (EP.409)
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GPIF Relied on Foreign Investors to Break Domestic Financial Conflicts
“It's GPIF that needs equities to perform to deliver on their pension obligations. So they realized that all of these complex relationships and conflicts in the Japanese financial services market meant that only outsiders could come and constructively cut some …”
Toby Rodes Sep 23, 2024 ▶ 24:47 Toby Rodes - Unlocking Value in Japan (EP.407)
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Japanese Family Firms Suppress Valuations to Reduce Inheritance Taxes
“Being listed and managing it with cash on the balance sheet is our way of handing the company off to the next generation. And if we can do that at .6 price to book, we save 40 cents on the dollar in terms of the inheritance tax.”
Toby Rodes Sep 23, 2024 ▶ 39:11 Toby Rodes - Unlocking Value in Japan (EP.407)
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Japan Welcomes Takeovers of Chronic Value-Destroying Companies
“Japan isn't going to offer everything up for sale, but the bad capital allocators, the companies that have defaulted on their cost of equity, we're being told that that's game on.”
Toby Rodes Sep 23, 2024 ▶ 50:41 Toby Rodes - Unlocking Value in Japan (EP.407)
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Maples: Startups Win by Being Radically Different, Not Just Better
“So startups never win by being better. Better isn't enough. Better doesn't matter. Only by being radically different can a startup make a radical difference.”
Mike Maples, Jr. Sep 16, 2024 ▶ 22:45 Mike Maples Jr. - Identifying Startup Pattern Breakers (EP.406)
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