Yann Robard, founder of secondary investment firm Dawson Partners, outlines his macro forecast for private market secondary trading volume.
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“I'm on the record for saying that the secondary market is going to get to a trillion dollars by 2031. Whenever I say that, the first reaction is, you're crazy. And I've heard that a few times, I guess, in my career. But I have a deep conviction around this prediction.”
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