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Fewer than four employees have voluntarily left WCM since 2004

Sloan Payne · Sloane Payne and Dave Joerger – Why Culture Matters (EP.500) · May 4, 2026 · at 12:53

Sloan Payne, executive at WCM Investment Management, discusses the firm's low employee turnover rate and culture.

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“The number of people that have left WCM voluntarily in that time span, it's less than three or four.”

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