Derek Drummond

Head of Funds Alpha, SWIB · 1 appearance on the record.

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At SWIB, Drummond oversees external manager selection, liquid strategies, and alpha generation across tens of billions in public market assets. He co-founded Dockside Platforms, a collaborative venture between SWIB, UTIMCO, and Walleye Capital created to disintermediate traditional multi-manager pod shops through a transparent managed-account infrastructure.

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Their most notable supported claim

Assertion Supported

SWIB runs roughly half its assets internally and half externally

“Here at the state of Wisconsin, we run about half of our assets internally and then half of our assets externally.”

Derek Drummond May 11, 2026 ▶ 8:21 Will England, Derek Drummond, and Tony Caruso – Disintermediating Pod Shops (EP.501)

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What they said7 Episodes1

Everything Derek Drummond said on Capital Allocators that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Insight

Pensions mistakenly incentivized hedge funds to lower volatility and gather assets

“The average hedge fund out there, down the fairway hedge fund, us dumb pensions did the wrong thing by incentivizing them to run lower vol and take in more assets and collect that management fee.”

Derek Drummond May 11, 2026 ▶ 40:21 Will England, Derek Drummond, and Tony Caruso – Disintermediating Pod Shops (EP.501)

Assertion Not checkable as stated

Multi-managers are raising day-one external SMA tickets to $400 million

“This space is getting more competitive. Now, the big platforms are allocating external managers. Getting access to that next talent coming out the door is getting a little bit harder. Getting a separate account for a hundred million dollars on day one, they're…”

Derek Drummond May 11, 2026 ▶ 50:44 Will England, Derek Drummond, and Tony Caruso – Disintermediating Pod Shops (EP.501)

Assertion Not checkable as stated

Managed accounts cut SWIB's diligence timeline from months to weeks

“Our typical write-up is about 40 pages plus and probably takes us Three months to get a deal done in our main hedge fund portfolio. Here, if we find somebody we really like, we could probably get three, four weeks, a 10 to 15 page write-up, and it's much more …”

Derek Drummond May 11, 2026 ▶ 27:05 Will England, Derek Drummond, and Tony Caruso – Disintermediating Pod Shops (EP.501)

Disclosure

SWIB uses a 17-manager managed account platform as a talent incubator

“We came up with this heuristic, so we have 17 PMs, and we're managing like it's a portfolio, but if we get confidence in that manager enough, they can graduate and become their own line item in our hedge fund portfolio. As we get more and more confidence, we c…”

Derek Drummond May 11, 2026 ▶ 30:13 Will England, Derek Drummond, and Tony Caruso – Disintermediating Pod Shops (EP.501)

Insight

Almost all portfolio managers prefer identical terms over custom institutional mandates

“And in 99.9% of the cases, the PM doesn't want to do anything special. They want everyone to be on the same terms and the same strategy.”

Derek Drummond May 11, 2026 ▶ 36:14 Will England, Derek Drummond, and Tony Caruso – Disintermediating Pod Shops (EP.501)

Disclosure

SWIB's hedge fund portfolio uses $10 billion in internal financing

“I'm the biggest consumer of the fleet rate at SWIB right now, and I borrow a 10, eleven billion dollars.”

Derek Drummond May 11, 2026 ▶ 43:57 Will England, Derek Drummond, and Tony Caruso – Disintermediating Pod Shops (EP.501)