Assertion certainty 4/5 debate potential 2/5

Multi-managers are raising day-one external SMA tickets to $400 million

Derek Drummond · Will England, Derek Drummond, and Tony Caruso – Disintermediating Pod Shops (EP.501) · May 11, 2026 · at 50:44

Derek Drummond of SWIB describes the increasing competition for hedge fund spin-out talent against major multi-manager pod shops.

0:00 / 0:16exact quote · 16.6s
720p mp4 · rendered on demand · StarZero watermark
“This space is getting more competitive. Now, the big platforms are allocating external managers. Getting access to that next talent coming out the door is getting a little bit harder. Getting a separate account for a hundred million dollars on day one, they're starting to get two, three, four hundred million dollar tickets.”

quote is from the automated transcript, cleaned for reading: filler sounds and stutters are removed, nothing is rephrased. names can be misheard (the analysis reads context, assessments check outside sources). how →

More from Derek Drummond

Insight
Pensions mistakenly incentivized hedge funds to lower volatility and gather assets
“The average hedge fund out there, down the fairway hedge fund, us dumb pensions did the wrong thing by incentivizing them to run lower vol and take in more assets and collect that management fee.”
Derek Drummond May 11, 2026 ▶ 40:21 Will England, Derek Drummond, and Tony Caruso – Disintermediating Pod Shops (EP.501)
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Managed accounts cut SWIB's diligence timeline from months to weeks
“Our typical write-up is about 40 pages plus and probably takes us Three months to get a deal done in our main hedge fund portfolio. Here, if we find somebody we really like, we could probably get three, four weeks, a 10 to 15 page write-up, and it's much more …”
Derek Drummond May 11, 2026 ▶ 27:05 Will England, Derek Drummond, and Tony Caruso – Disintermediating Pod Shops (EP.501)
Disclosure
SWIB uses a 17-manager managed account platform as a talent incubator
“We came up with this heuristic, so we have 17 PMs, and we're managing like it's a portfolio, but if we get confidence in that manager enough, they can graduate and become their own line item in our hedge fund portfolio. As we get more and more confidence, we c…”
Derek Drummond May 11, 2026 ▶ 30:13 Will England, Derek Drummond, and Tony Caruso – Disintermediating Pod Shops (EP.501)
Insight
Almost all portfolio managers prefer identical terms over custom institutional mandates
“And in 99.9% of the cases, the PM doesn't want to do anything special. They want everyone to be on the same terms and the same strategy.”
Derek Drummond May 11, 2026 ▶ 36:14 Will England, Derek Drummond, and Tony Caruso – Disintermediating Pod Shops (EP.501)
Disclosure
SWIB's hedge fund portfolio uses $10 billion in internal financing
“I'm the biggest consumer of the fleet rate at SWIB right now, and I borrow a 10, eleven billion dollars.”
Derek Drummond May 11, 2026 ▶ 43:57 Will England, Derek Drummond, and Tony Caruso – Disintermediating Pod Shops (EP.501)
Assertion Supported
SWIB runs roughly half its assets internally and half externally
“Here at the state of Wisconsin, we run about half of our assets internally and then half of our assets externally.”
Derek Drummond May 11, 2026 ▶ 8:21 Will England, Derek Drummond, and Tony Caruso – Disintermediating Pod Shops (EP.501)
Made with StarZero

Turn any episode into a week of clips.

This entire site, over 700 episodes transcribed, diarized, checked and made playable, runs on the StarZero media pipeline. Drop in your own episode and the podcast clipper finds the moments worth sharing, cuts them, captions them, and reframes them for every feed.