Kinderhook Industries

also referred to as: kinderhook

20 statements across 2 episodes · 7 bullish · 1 bearish · 3 people on the record · first statement Nov 11, 2024 by Rob Michalik · said 38 times in 3 episodes since 2023 · across every show →

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Nov 11, 2024
Disclosure
Kinderhook secured the Adler Tank add-on before closing Mobile Mini
“We had in our back pocket the opportunity to acquire the Adler Tank business, which was their largest competitor. We knew that at the point at which we finally agreed to terms, and that made us pretty pleased with the outcome that we were able to drive.”
Rob Michalik Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 23:44 [REPLAY] Ironclad Environmental Services – Chris and Rob Michalik (Kinderhook Industries), (PE Deals, S3E8)
Nov 11, 2024 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Michalik: Ironclad raised fleet utilization to 67-68% from 50% and mid-60s
“The mobile mini division was running in the mid-sixties of utilization. We bought it. The Adler division was running just about 50% utilization. Today we're at combined 67, 68%.”
Rob Michalik Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 32:15 [REPLAY] Ironclad Environmental Services – Chris and Rob Michalik (Kinderhook Industries), (PE Deals, S3E8)
Nov 11, 2024 negative
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Michalik: Mobile Mini Tank targeted only 2% price increases amid 9% inflation
“They've been targeting two percent price increases and what at that point was starting to become a nine percent inflationary environment.”
Rob Michalik Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 18:55 [REPLAY] Ironclad Environmental Services – Chris and Rob Michalik (Kinderhook Industries), (PE Deals, S3E8)
Nov 11, 2024 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Michalik: Kinderhook's 20-person investment team averages 14-year tenure
“We've now built an investment team of over 20 that is been with us for a very long time. Average tenure of our investment team is 14 years.”
Chris Michalik Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 6:34 [REPLAY] Ironclad Environmental Services – Chris and Rob Michalik (Kinderhook Industries), (PE Deals, S3E8)
Nov 11, 2024
Assertion Supported
Mobile Mini and Adler combination created largest North American waste tank player
“So I think we closed on the mobile mini tanks October first of 22. February first of 23, we closed on the Adler add-on acquisition. That made us the largest player by assets in the industrial waste tank business in North America.”
Rob Michalik Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 25:31 [REPLAY] Ironclad Environmental Services – Chris and Rob Michalik (Kinderhook Industries), (PE Deals, S3E8)
Nov 11, 2024
Assertion Supported
Strategic buyers acquired 44 of Kinderhook's 50 exits over 20 years
“We've sold 44 of our 50 exits over 20 years have been a strategic buyers, and understanding what strategic buyers are looking for helps guide our investment thesis going into opportunities.”
Chris Michalik Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 29:33 [REPLAY] Ironclad Environmental Services – Chris and Rob Michalik (Kinderhook Industries), (PE Deals, S3E8)
Nov 11, 2024
Disclosure
Kinderhook initiated the Ironclad acquisition by cold-calling WillScot's CFO
“One of our operating partners was previously involved with the company, had a inkling that the public parent, Will Scott, was interested in divesting their mobile mini tank and pump division. We reached out to the CFO at the time, expressed our interest in the…”
Rob Michalik Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 14:31 [REPLAY] Ironclad Environmental Services – Chris and Rob Michalik (Kinderhook Industries), (PE Deals, S3E8)
Nov 11, 2024
Disclosure
Kinderhook acquired Mobile Mini Tank for less than 7x EBITDA
“We bought the business for less than seven times EBITDA.”
Rob Michalik Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 25:02 [REPLAY] Ironclad Environmental Services – Chris and Rob Michalik (Kinderhook Industries), (PE Deals, S3E8)
Nov 11, 2024 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Ironclad Environmental Services generates over $100M in combined EBITDA
“We have north of a hundred million dollars of EBITDA already on the combined platform.”
Rob Michalik Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 36:16 [REPLAY] Ironclad Environmental Services – Chris and Rob Michalik (Kinderhook Industries), (PE Deals, S3E8)
Nov 11, 2024 neutral
Prediction Open · timeframe Nov 2026
Michalik: Kinderhook expects a three-year hold for Ironclad
“I'd imagine if someone doesn't knock on our door in the next 24 months, we will be going to market with the asset after that time. So I'd imagine this one will end up being a three-year hold as opposed to a five-year hold.”
Rob Michalik Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 36:28 [REPLAY] Ironclad Environmental Services – Chris and Rob Michalik (Kinderhook Industries), (PE Deals, S3E8)
Nov 11, 2024 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Michalik: Ironclad achieves double-digit top-line growth and 40% EBITDA margin
“So we've been driving double digit top line growth every month, month over month since our ownership. We're at 40% combined EBITDA on the business today.”
Rob Michalik Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 34:55 [REPLAY] Ironclad Environmental Services – Chris and Rob Michalik (Kinderhook Industries), (PE Deals, S3E8)
Nov 11, 2024 bullish
Assertion Supported
Michalik: Industrial waste tank demand grew steadily over 20 years with only one bust
“What we did to get comfortable that was really a one-time phenomenon is we looked at 20 years of industrial waste tank demand, and over that twenty-year cycle, you really had one bust, and you could see the bust coming by the overinvestment in the Proceeding t…”
Rob Michalik Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 20:40 [REPLAY] Ironclad Environmental Services – Chris and Rob Michalik (Kinderhook Industries), (PE Deals, S3E8)
Nov 11, 2024 neutral
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Ironclad was financed under 4x debt-to-EBITDA with nearly 50% equity
“Our partners at Twinbrook helped us finance this deal. We've financed it inside of four turns of debt to EBITDA. We have a very flexible balance sheet. We are well capitalized at almost 50% equity capitalization across the combined platform”
Rob Michalik Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 34:20 [REPLAY] Ironclad Environmental Services – Chris and Rob Michalik (Kinderhook Industries), (PE Deals, S3E8)
Nov 11, 2024
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Kinderhook: Zero VPs or Above Have Ever Quit in 21 Years
“Everybody that's a managing director today has been with the firm and started as an associate has been promoted internally. We don't bring in lateral hires. Over 21 years that we've been in business, anyone that's made vice president above has never quit the f…”
Chris and Rob Michalik Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 24:26 Chris and Rob Michalik - Twin Tackle of Private Equity at Kinderhook (EP.416)
Nov 11, 2024
Disclosure
Kinderhook Signed $245M Deal in August 2024 for Stewardship Assets
“So we signed a purchase agreement in August of 2024 to acquire the assets of stewardship publicly announced two hundred forty five million dollars.”
Chris and Rob Michalik Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 41:12 Chris and Rob Michalik - Twin Tackle of Private Equity at Kinderhook (EP.416)
Nov 11, 2024
Disclosure
Kinderhook installs operating partners as CEO in 70-75% of acquisitions
“75, 70% of the time when we buy a company, we're putting in one of our operating partners as the CEO. The other 25, 30%, we're back in the incumbent management team.”
Chris and Rob Michalik Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 26:19 Chris and Rob Michalik - Twin Tackle of Private Equity at Kinderhook (EP.416)
Nov 11, 2024 positive
Insight
Michalik: Ownership aligns incentives with efficiency far better than hourly wages
“There's a lot of ways to make money, but if you're a paperboy as an example, or you own something, you get the job done in 10 minutes and you make 20 bucks to do it in 10 minutes. If you get paid by the hour, like we were in our Teamster jobs, hardworking jobs…”
Chris and Rob Michalik Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 13:22 Chris and Rob Michalik - Twin Tackle of Private Equity at Kinderhook (EP.416)
Nov 11, 2024
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Operating partners invested $100M at full fees in Kinderhook's last two funds
“If you look, the last two funds, operating partners invested a hundred million dollars. They're paying full fees, full carry.”
Chris and Rob Michalik Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 26:54 Chris and Rob Michalik - Twin Tackle of Private Equity at Kinderhook (EP.416)
Nov 11, 2024 positive
Insight
Michalik: Private Equity Value Creation Requires Having Trusted CEOs-in-Waiting
“If you want to continue to deliver value, you have to have CEOs and waiting, so to speak, people that you trust to step in and lead the businesses you buy.”
Chris and Rob Michalik Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 51:46 Chris and Rob Michalik - Twin Tackle of Private Equity at Kinderhook (EP.416)
Nov 11, 2024
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Kinderhook: UnitedHealthcare, Molina, and Humana Passed on Acquiring MCS
“Most everyone in the United States in the industry looked at buying this company from private equity firms to UnitedHealthcare to Molina, Humana, and they all passed. And we bought the business in 2021. We actually signed a letter of intent to acquire it in th…”
Chris and Rob Michalik Nov 11, 2024 ▶ 25:16 Chris and Rob Michalik - Twin Tackle of Private Equity at Kinderhook (EP.416)
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