GroveStreet

also referred to as: grove street

17 statements across 1 episodes · 3 bullish · 4 bearish · 1 people on the record · first statement Oct 30, 2023 by Bruce Ou · said 9 times in 1 episodes since 2023 · across every show →

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Oct 30, 2023 positive
Disclosure
Ou: GroveStreet Mandates Partner Co-Investment and Carried-Interest Compensation
“So from day one, it was structured that the senior members of Grove Street are required to commit personal capital alongside our clients. And for the partners, a significant portion of long-term compensation comes only in the form of performance-based carried …”
Bruce Ou Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 10:29 Bruce Ou – Private Market Investing at GroveStreet (EP.347)
Oct 30, 2023
Assertion Supported
Ou: GroveStreet Has Managed $10B Across 43 SMAs and 14 Clients
“14 is the number of clients that we have had since inception. 14 great, elite clients. For them, we have built 43 separately managed accounts. So you can do the math, lots of repeat customers. And in total, the clients have committed about ten billion dollars …”
Bruce Ou Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 11:28 Bruce Ou – Private Market Investing at GroveStreet (EP.347)
Oct 30, 2023
Disclosure
Ou: GroveStreet backs 10-15 venture and 6-8 buyout funds yearly
“So on average, we're averaging about 10 to 15 venture funds per year. And six to eight buyout funds per year.”
Bruce Ou Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 33:14 Bruce Ou – Private Market Investing at GroveStreet (EP.347)
Oct 30, 2023
Insight
Ou: Allocators must avoid over-attachment to specific manager opportunities
“And one of the lessons I have learned by observing broadly is that there are always amazing opportunities, and we don't need to get too attached to any opportunity. Just wait for the fat pitch.”
Bruce Ou Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 30:09 Bruce Ou – Private Market Investing at GroveStreet (EP.347)
Oct 30, 2023
Disclosure
Ou: GroveStreet buyout co-investments target 3-4x leverage at entry
“The capital structure dynamics is also, I would say, more consistent than different. They tend to be anywhere between three to four times in leverage and entry. So when we see a deal that's four and a half times or more, we tend to raise our eyebrows.”
Bruce Ou Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 41:01 Bruce Ou – Private Market Investing at GroveStreet (EP.347)
Oct 30, 2023
Disclosure
Ou: GroveStreet nets co-investment performance together with primary fund performance
“We construct our co-invest as organic parts of a SMA, meaning the co-invest performance is netted and pulled together with the fund performance in determining our net performance, something different from industry practice.”
Bruce Ou Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 39:50 Bruce Ou – Private Market Investing at GroveStreet (EP.347)
Oct 30, 2023
Disclosure
Ou: GroveStreet pulled forward 2.5 years of distributions during 2020-2022
“So we kind of pulled forward two and a half years of distributions. We could have Zero distribution in 23, 24 and a half of 25 to get back to the average historically.”
Bruce Ou Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 46:41 Bruce Ou – Private Market Investing at GroveStreet (EP.347)
Oct 30, 2023 neutral
Disclosure
Ou: GroveStreet targets VC, growth equity, and sub-$1.5B buyout funds
“Our targets have remained quite consistent over the 25 years, and those are venture capital, growth equity, and lower mid-market buyouts, which we typically define as funds sub one and a half billion dollars, and we do them through commitments to funds and co-…”
Bruce Ou Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 15:41 Bruce Ou – Private Market Investing at GroveStreet (EP.347)
Oct 30, 2023 neutral
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Ou: Selective secondary opportunities should become easier to find but haven't yet
“In this market, I think we would expect that those opportunities could be a little bit easier to find, but they're not quite showing up yet.”
Bruce Ou Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 51:09 Bruce Ou – Private Market Investing at GroveStreet (EP.347)
Oct 30, 2023
Disclosure
Ou: GroveStreet targets 80% IT and 60-70% US in venture portfolios
“And in venture, we're typically targeting, I'd say, 80% in information tech, and the rest in healthcare and biotech, and then 60, 70% the U.S., and the rest in proven parts of venture centers around the world.”
Bruce Ou Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 31:22 Bruce Ou – Private Market Investing at GroveStreet (EP.347)
Oct 30, 2023 negative
Opinion
Ou: Generative AI is driving a resurgence of investor FOMO
“And so just as we are feeling better about the music quiet down, there's a new DJ entering the house in the name of generative AI. And so one risk I see is the investor FOMO behavior again.”
Bruce Ou Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 35:22 Bruce Ou – Private Market Investing at GroveStreet (EP.347)
Oct 30, 2023 positive
Disclosure
Ou: GroveStreet backed American Industrial Partners at $400M before client handoff
“We first invested in a fund here in New York called American Industrial Partners when they were owning four hundred million dollars. As the team continued to deliver results and became a consensus fund among LPs, we handed that relationship over to our clients…”
Bruce Ou Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 14:55 Bruce Ou – Private Market Investing at GroveStreet (EP.347)
Oct 30, 2023 negative
Insight
Ou: Operationally intensive buyout teams use less initial leverage
“It is usually the case that an operational intensive team tends to use also less leverage at the beginning. So if we see a team that tends to use a higher leverage at the beginning, that is a bit of a warning signal to us, because if you are trying to really i…”
Bruce Ou Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 20:11 Bruce Ou – Private Market Investing at GroveStreet (EP.347)
Oct 30, 2023 bearish
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Ou: 2023 industry exit values are tracking 56% in buyouts and 17% in VC
“Private equity is tracking about 56% for buyouts compared to our 90% and ventures tracking, I think, 17 ish percent from memory to the 37% we have.”
Bruce Ou Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 47:53 Bruce Ou – Private Market Investing at GroveStreet (EP.347)
Oct 30, 2023 positive
Disclosure
Ou: GroveStreet buys concentrated secondaries for primary-like multiples, not IRR
“We approached it with a opportunistic, high selectivity strategy. So where we, let's say, have a mature venture fund where the value drivers is comes down to two or three companies that we know intimately and can form good opinions that are different from the …”
Bruce Ou Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 50:31 Bruce Ou – Private Market Investing at GroveStreet (EP.347)
Oct 30, 2023 neutral
Disclosure
Ou: GroveStreet invests in first-time funds, never first-time investors
“Now, even for fund ones, we would never invest in first time investors. As we'd say, we'd invest in first time funds, but not first time investors. There's need to be teams that have demonstrated track records in their prior Pretty fun careers, whether spin ou…”
Bruce Ou Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 23:28 Bruce Ou – Private Market Investing at GroveStreet (EP.347)
Oct 30, 2023 negative
Insight
Ou: Fund size overexpansion degrades a manager's risk-return profile
“If a amazing fund that should be raising one billion ends up raising two billion because investors pile in, the risk return profile may have changed. That they're not as compelling anymore.”
Bruce Ou Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 27:34 Bruce Ou – Private Market Investing at GroveStreet (EP.347)
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