Andy Golden

also referred to as: andy goldens

36 statements across 7 episodes · 9 bullish · 8 bearish · 4 people on the record · first statement Jun 26, 2017 by Andy Golden · said 23 times in 9 episodes since 2017 · across every show →

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Everything said about Andy Golden, oldest first

Jun 26, 2017 negative
Opinion
Golden: Since 2009, there has been an active cost to portfolio diversification
“It's still, you know, since 2009, the frustration has still been that not just zero return to diversification, there's been a cost to diversification, but there's also been a cost to hard work.”
Andy Golden Jun 26, 2017 ▶ 35:59 Andrew Golden – Beyond the Long Term (Capital Allocators, EP.13)
Jun 26, 2017 neutral
Disclosure
Golden: PRINCO concentrates independent returns across roughly 15 manager relationships
“Our opinion of the asset class is quite different, if you want to call it an asset class, opinion of, you know, the, that collection of managers is quite different from the opinion of our 15 or so relationships that we have there.”
Andy Golden Jun 26, 2017 ▶ 43:43 Andrew Golden – Beyond the Long Term (Capital Allocators, EP.13)
Jun 26, 2017 neutral
Insight
Golden: True time horizon is enduring discomfort without changing course
“But the real horizon is not what you claim your horizon is. The real horizon is this thing that you maybe don't even discover until after the fact. It's how long Can you go with a large amount of discomfort without changing your path inappropriately?”
Andy Golden Jun 26, 2017 ▶ 24:43 Andrew Golden – Beyond the Long Term (Capital Allocators, EP.13)
Jun 26, 2017
Disclosure
Golden: I originally proposed a Yale-style committee governance model
“It was really unusual, and in fact, was not what I originally proposed. I said to Ed, I don't want to reinvent things when there's a good model. You know, here's a kind of Yale-like model where the major decisions, manager hires, fund re-ups, would still flow …”
Andy Golden Jun 26, 2017 ▶ 16:40 Andrew Golden – Beyond the Long Term (Capital Allocators, EP.13)
Jun 26, 2017 positive
Disclosure
Golden: PRINCO mandates blind pre- and post-meeting voting on all investments
“By the way, everyone walks in the room, the first thing they do is they get a ballot, and they have to say what their vote is going into the meeting, and then at the end of the meeting, they write down what their vote is, and then that piece of paper is set as…”
Andy Golden Jun 26, 2017 ▶ 55:35 Andrew Golden – Beyond the Long Term (Capital Allocators, EP.13)
Jun 26, 2017
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Golden: Swensen helped secure a Princeton offer triple my Yale pay
“Dave Swenson, I asked for his help, and he got me an offer to come to Princeton for triple my compensation. I got my own offer to go to Duke, my alma mater, undergrad, for double, so I took the Duke job”
Andy Golden Jun 26, 2017 ▶ 11:07 Andrew Golden – Beyond the Long Term (Capital Allocators, EP.13)
Jun 26, 2017 neutral
Disclosure
Golden: Over half of PRINCO's worst investment decisions involved political friction
“I only got to about number seven or eight when I realized that more than half of them shared this characteristic of there was some kind of political element”
Andy Golden Jun 26, 2017 ▶ 57:41 Andrew Golden – Beyond the Long Term (Capital Allocators, EP.13)
Jun 26, 2017 negative
Insight
Golden: Lateral investment hires often fail to adapt beyond fixed recipes
“And what we're really looking for are first principle thinkers as opposed to learn a recipe and just use that recipe, which is one of the reasons why it's often difficult to bring the lateral higher in because they've got a certain way of doing it, and it's ha…”
Andy Golden Jun 26, 2017 ▶ 53:35 Andrew Golden – Beyond the Long Term (Capital Allocators, EP.13)
Jun 26, 2017 neutral
Insight
Golden: Early career advice should be to follow your like, not passion
“There's a cliche about following your passion. I feel that it's true, except for I want to modify that and say, follow your like. The problem with telling someone follow your passion is it presupposes that they know what passion is, and, you know, it's almost …”
Andy Golden Jun 26, 2017 ▶ 1:07:37 Andrew Golden – Beyond the Long Term (Capital Allocators, EP.13)
Jun 26, 2017 negative
Insight
Golden: Base management fees should not create major wealth for fund managers
“Base level fees really should not be the source of major wealth.”
Andy Golden Jun 26, 2017 ▶ 50:52 Andrew Golden – Beyond the Long Term (Capital Allocators, EP.13)
Jun 26, 2017 neutral
Insight
Golden: In investing, theory can outweigh conflicting empirical data
“Being able to have an appreciation of theory over data in the right bounds is key. You know, there are times when you want to say, if the data don't support the theory, the data are wrong, right?”
Andy Golden Jun 26, 2017 ▶ 25:52 Andrew Golden – Beyond the Long Term (Capital Allocators, EP.13)
Jun 26, 2017 positive
Insight
Golden: LPs should optimize private equity fees, not just minimize them
“On the specific point about fees, we believe it's important to optimize fees, not minimize fees. And we want to make sure that the firms actually have, you know, revenues to the principles that are enough to make them silly rich without having to find some oth…”
Andy Golden Jun 26, 2017 ▶ 48:38 Andrew Golden – Beyond the Long Term (Capital Allocators, EP.13)
Jun 26, 2017 neutral
Insight
Golden: Not everything worth doing is worth doing really well
“And also, it turns out that not everything worth doing is worth doing really well. There's some, you know, you kind of want to spend your effort budget wisely. You know, there are some things where good enough is actually good enough.”
Andy Golden Jun 26, 2017 ▶ 1:10:40 Andrew Golden – Beyond the Long Term (Capital Allocators, EP.13)
Jun 26, 2017
Insight
Golden: Manager selection matters more than timing or specific strategy
“We believe that who matters a whole lot more than When you invest, and may even matter more than what they actually do.”
Andy Golden Jun 26, 2017 ▶ 1:03:48 Andrew Golden – Beyond the Long Term (Capital Allocators, EP.13)
Jun 26, 2017 negative
Opinion
Golden: PRINCO wouldn't invest in hedge funds for median returns
“If we were condemned to produce the median return of the hedge fund space, there's I don't think we'd have any allocation.”
Andy Golden Jun 26, 2017 ▶ 43:29 Andrew Golden – Beyond the Long Term (Capital Allocators, EP.13)
Jun 26, 2017
Disclosure
Golden: PRINCO targets 25% private equity, 25% hedge funds, 19% real assets
“If we just kind of go around the pie chart, it's 10% dedicated to domestic equity, long-only managers, six percent to other developed markets, long-ish only managers, 10% to emerging market public equity managers, 25% in the category we call independent return…”
Andy Golden Jun 26, 2017 ▶ 33:36 Andrew Golden – Beyond the Long Term (Capital Allocators, EP.13)
Jun 26, 2017 neutral
Insight
Golden: Consistent high returns make investor commentary sound smarter
“You know, so another advantage is if you put up good numbers for long enough, all of a sudden everything you say sounds a whole lot smarter than it used to.”
Andy Golden Jun 26, 2017 ▶ 26:25 Andrew Golden – Beyond the Long Term (Capital Allocators, EP.13)
Jun 26, 2017
Insight
Golden: Quantitative manager selection fails because return engines do not stay stable
“You can't get enough data to base a decision without, you know, running afoul of a key premise, which is that the engine that produced that is stable, right? And that nothing's changed.”
Andy Golden Jun 26, 2017 ▶ 1:01:16 Andrew Golden – Beyond the Long Term (Capital Allocators, EP.13)
Jun 26, 2017 positive
Disclosure
Golden: PRINCO relies almost entirely on hiring undergraduates directly from college
“But where we think the future of PRINCO is, is mostly, if not entirely, on our grow our own. And so we're hiring one to three or maybe more kids out of college, primarily Princeton, where we have some unfair recruiting advantages.”
Andy Golden Jun 26, 2017 ▶ 53:12 Andrew Golden – Beyond the Long Term (Capital Allocators, EP.13)
Jul 3, 2017 positive
Insight
Time Horizon Is the Only Durable Risk Premium Left in Investing
“He said that all of the risk premia have been arbitraged away, except for one. He said, horizon. People just need cash sooner. And by being a long-term liquidity provider, you know, if we can be, he, I think his phrase is BLT investor, if we can be a beyond th…”
Chris Douvos Jul 3, 2017 ▶ 17:55 Chris Douvos – Venture Capital's Super LP (Capital Allocators, EP.14)
Dec 18, 2017 positive
Assertion Supported
Seides: David Swensen's Yale disciples consistently outperformed peer endowments
“There is something to the structure of what Yale did and the discipline that has been proven that David has been able to teach other people. It could Seth Alexander, who I worked with, and Paul Valente at Bowdoin, and Andy Golden at Princeton, and Peter Ammon …”
Ted Seides Dec 18, 2017 ▶ 58:41 Deep Dive into Hedge Funds (Capital Allocators, EP.34)
Apr 23, 2020 negative
Insight
Dislocation drawdown vehicles force allocators to suboptimize their portfolios
“I have long been frustrated by a trend among Marketable managers to create drawdown vehicles to be used in market dislocations because it causes us to suboptimize our portfolio.”
Andy Golden Apr 23, 2020 ▶ 20:14 Andrew Golden – Navigating Princeton's Endowment Through (Another) Crisis (Capital Allocators, EP.133)
Apr 23, 2020 negative
Prediction Not checkable as stated
The 2020 crisis may accelerate asset manager adoption of drawdown vehicles
“I think one of the issues that may come out of this current crisis, Is that for those few managers who were willing to just play it more informally, they're going to be processing the advantage that some of those managers with the legal draw had, and it may ac…”
Andy Golden Apr 23, 2020 ▶ 21:25 Andrew Golden – Navigating Princeton's Endowment Through (Another) Crisis (Capital Allocators, EP.133)
Apr 23, 2020
Disclosure
PRINCO requires every investment team member to record advance votes
“Every time we have a major decision, we move the entire investment team from the room we normally sit in to a board-like room. And everyone, even if they're in their first week, they're a twenty-year-old fresh out of college, attends that meeting and has to wr…”
Andy Golden Apr 23, 2020 ▶ 6:45 Andrew Golden – Navigating Princeton's Endowment Through (Another) Crisis (Capital Allocators, EP.133)
Apr 23, 2020
Insight
It is too late to build partnerships and culture during a crisis
“I think it's a reminder that by the time a crisis hits, it's too late to develop partnerships, to develop the right culture.”
Andy Golden Apr 23, 2020 ▶ 31:19 Andrew Golden – Navigating Princeton's Endowment Through (Another) Crisis (Capital Allocators, EP.133)
Apr 23, 2020
Opinion
Golden: Early COVID-19 volatility surpassed the 2008 Lehman Brothers collapse
“During what I think is objectively the most volatile markets in my career, even compared to the Lehman days, you gotta understand Is there anything particularly unusual going on?”
Andy Golden Apr 23, 2020 ▶ 4:52 Andrew Golden – Navigating Princeton's Endowment Through (Another) Crisis (Capital Allocators, EP.133)
Apr 23, 2020 positive
Insight
Universities must evaluate liquidity holistically rather than isolating the endowment
“One of the lessons that we actually learned as opposed to were reminded of during the global financial crisis was a benefit of looking at liquidity in a unified way across the university. So it's not so much about how we're deploying liquidity within the endow…”
Andy Golden Apr 23, 2020 ▶ 17:04 Andrew Golden – Navigating Princeton's Endowment Through (Another) Crisis (Capital Allocators, EP.133)
Apr 23, 2020 positive
Insight
Developing internal talent requires showing juniors how decisions are made
“You can only grow your own talent if you don't grow well, at least if they see not just the output of decisions, but see the how the sausage is getting made.”
Andy Golden Apr 23, 2020 ▶ 9:10 Andrew Golden – Navigating Princeton's Endowment Through (Another) Crisis (Capital Allocators, EP.133)
Apr 23, 2020 neutral
Disclosure
Princeton built emergency liquidity reserves outside its endowment post-GFC
“The intersection is that coming out of the global funders crisis, the university explicitly built up a little bit of reserve outside the endowment for liquidity, so that in a kind of Break glass situation, then we could defer some spending coming out of the en…”
Andy Golden Apr 23, 2020 ▶ 17:41 Andrew Golden – Navigating Princeton's Endowment Through (Another) Crisis (Capital Allocators, EP.133)
Apr 23, 2020
Disclosure
PRINCO prioritizes post-crisis culture over exploiting immediate market opportunities
“In terms of big worries right now, a surprisingly large share of my worries are not about getting through this crisis, not even about Exploiting as much of the opportunity created by the crisis as possible. It's more about what happens after the crisis and how…”
Andy Golden Apr 23, 2020 ▶ 9:22 Andrew Golden – Navigating Princeton's Endowment Through (Another) Crisis (Capital Allocators, EP.133)
Apr 23, 2020 negative
Insight
Allocators avoid offbeat strategies when traditional assets are cheap
“I think it's also interesting that the really kind of off the beaten path investments, like a Sports betting fund. That's interesting that you would think that I would think that what I need right now, when very traditional things are on sale, is to go far afi…”
Andy Golden Apr 23, 2020 ▶ 29:26 Andrew Golden – Navigating Princeton's Endowment Through (Another) Crisis (Capital Allocators, EP.133)
Apr 23, 2020 bearish
Disclosure
PRINCO paused offensive capital deployment during the early 2020 market crisis
“We're really hitting pause on the offense for now, because it's just so hard to figure out.”
Andy Golden Apr 23, 2020 ▶ 18:53 Andrew Golden – Navigating Princeton's Endowment Through (Another) Crisis (Capital Allocators, EP.133)
Mar 22, 2021 neutral
Insight
Ted Seides: Allocators Are Probably Better Off Balancing Growth and Value
“You're probably better off being balanced between the two. Because if you get too far ahead of your skis and you're wrong, if you're right in the long term but you don't survive to the long term, I think as Andy Golden said on one of the shows, finish first, y…”
Ted Seides Mar 22, 2021 ▶ 28:13 Ted with Patrick O'Shaughnessy – Lessons from the World's Elite Money Managers (Capital Allocators, EP.184)
Sep 1, 2022 positive
Insight
Andy Golden: Backing managers everyone roots for creates true force multiplication
“We want to work with people that we know that everyone who meets them is going to root for them, because that's where you'll really get the force multiplication.”
Andy Golden Sep 1, 2022 ▶ 14:33 Allan Jean-Baptiste and Marco DeMeireles – Under-covered Venture Markets and Teams at Ansa Capital (Manager Meetings, EP.36)
Sep 4, 2023 positive
Insight
PRINCO intentionally preserves inefficient large meetings to improve organizational learning
“It is ok to be inefficient sometimes if you are more effective in the learning process. So we have huge meetings. One might say that would be much more efficient if there was just five of us. We'd probably come to the same decision. Be done with it. However, y…”
Jen Birmingham Sep 4, 2023 ▶ 58:03 Jenn Birmingham – Organizational Alpha at PRINCO (EP. 336)
Sep 4, 2023
Disclosure
PRINCO Mandates Every Team Member Vote on Investments Without Abstaining
“The culmination of all of that work comes to a bull bear decision meeting, and that is just the Prinko team, and we all vote. So we have this voting dynamic, two right pound the table, two left Negative, or one and one. You have to vote, though. You can't abst…”
Jen Birmingham Sep 4, 2023 ▶ 24:46 Jenn Birmingham – Organizational Alpha at PRINCO (EP. 336)
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