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Jul 24, 2023 · 29m · big-technology

How Generative AI Is Already Changing The Communications Field — With EZ Newswire

Caitlin Kelly · 11m spoken Neil Shah · 8m spoken Alex Kantrowitz · 6m spoken
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Host Alex Kantrowitz interviews EZ Newswire co-founders Caitlin Kelly and Neil Shah to explore how purpose-built generative AI workflows and transparent distribution models are revolutionizing the public relations and newswire industry.

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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Alex holds 25% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Alex as informed peer 4.0 Guest teaching 3.5 Guest disagreement 0.5 Alex pushing back 0.3
05100:0010:0020:002:17–5:05 · Alex as informed peer 4/10 Upleveling PR Practitioner Skills and Financial Modeling Analogies Alex draws on his experience as a tech journalist receiving PR pitches to frame the discussion. Caitlin politely reframes his question, explaining that AI will not necessarily make individual pitches stand out more, but will fundamentally uplevel practitioner efficiency.5:06–8:52 · Alex as informed peer 4/10 Reimagining the Press Release and Challenging Legacy PR Structures Alex prompts the guests to explain the broken press release ecosystem and how EZ Newswire disrupts it. Caitlin and Neil articulate the press release's role as a formal document of record and explain how LLMs lower barrier to entry for smaller businesses.8:53–12:41 · Alex as informed peer 3/10 Live Platform Demo and Anti-Hallucination Engineering The guests walk through a live platform demo customized to Alex's announcement. Neil provides deep technical context on how EZ Newswire codifies PR operational knowledge and fine-tunes prompts to prevent model hallucinations.12:42–23:58 · Alex as informed peer 5/10 Wire Distribution Economics, Technical Architecture, and Quality Metrics Alex probes the technical definition of a wire service and the economics of publisher partnerships. The guests educate Alex on telegraph-era origins, modern RSS-to-CMS pipes, transparent pricing models, and making 20-25 LLM calls per generated release.2:17–5:05 · Guest teaching 3/10 Upleveling PR Practitioner Skills and Financial Modeling Analogies Alex draws on his experience as a tech journalist receiving PR pitches to frame the discussion. Caitlin politely reframes his question, explaining that AI will not necessarily make individual pitches stand out more, but will fundamentally uplevel practitioner efficiency.5:06–8:52 · Guest teaching 2/10 Reimagining the Press Release and Challenging Legacy PR Structures Alex prompts the guests to explain the broken press release ecosystem and how EZ Newswire disrupts it. Caitlin and Neil articulate the press release's role as a formal document of record and explain how LLMs lower barrier to entry for smaller businesses.8:53–12:41 · Guest teaching 4/10 Live Platform Demo and Anti-Hallucination Engineering The guests walk through a live platform demo customized to Alex's announcement. Neil provides deep technical context on how EZ Newswire codifies PR operational knowledge and fine-tunes prompts to prevent model hallucinations.12:42–23:58 · Guest teaching 5/10 Wire Distribution Economics, Technical Architecture, and Quality Metrics Alex probes the technical definition of a wire service and the economics of publisher partnerships. The guests educate Alex on telegraph-era origins, modern RSS-to-CMS pipes, transparent pricing models, and making 20-25 LLM calls per generated release.2:17–5:05 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Upleveling PR Practitioner Skills and Financial Modeling Analogies Alex draws on his experience as a tech journalist receiving PR pitches to frame the discussion. Caitlin politely reframes his question, explaining that AI will not necessarily make individual pitches stand out more, but will fundamentally uplevel practitioner efficiency.5:06–8:52 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Reimagining the Press Release and Challenging Legacy PR Structures Alex prompts the guests to explain the broken press release ecosystem and how EZ Newswire disrupts it. Caitlin and Neil articulate the press release's role as a formal document of record and explain how LLMs lower barrier to entry for smaller businesses.8:53–12:41 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Live Platform Demo and Anti-Hallucination Engineering The guests walk through a live platform demo customized to Alex's announcement. Neil provides deep technical context on how EZ Newswire codifies PR operational knowledge and fine-tunes prompts to prevent model hallucinations.12:42–23:58 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Wire Distribution Economics, Technical Architecture, and Quality Metrics Alex probes the technical definition of a wire service and the economics of publisher partnerships. The guests educate Alex on telegraph-era origins, modern RSS-to-CMS pipes, transparent pricing models, and making 20-25 LLM calls per generated release.2:17–5:05 · Alex pushing back 0/10 Upleveling PR Practitioner Skills and Financial Modeling Analogies Alex draws on his experience as a tech journalist receiving PR pitches to frame the discussion. Caitlin politely reframes his question, explaining that AI will not necessarily make individual pitches stand out more, but will fundamentally uplevel practitioner efficiency.5:06–8:52 · Alex pushing back 0/10 Reimagining the Press Release and Challenging Legacy PR Structures Alex prompts the guests to explain the broken press release ecosystem and how EZ Newswire disrupts it. Caitlin and Neil articulate the press release's role as a formal document of record and explain how LLMs lower barrier to entry for smaller businesses.8:53–12:41 · Alex pushing back 0/10 Live Platform Demo and Anti-Hallucination Engineering The guests walk through a live platform demo customized to Alex's announcement. Neil provides deep technical context on how EZ Newswire codifies PR operational knowledge and fine-tunes prompts to prevent model hallucinations.12:42–23:58 · Alex pushing back 1/10 Wire Distribution Economics, Technical Architecture, and Quality Metrics Alex probes the technical definition of a wire service and the economics of publisher partnerships. The guests educate Alex on telegraph-era origins, modern RSS-to-CMS pipes, transparent pricing models, and making 20-25 LLM calls per generated release.

speaking balance: gold is Alex, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Alex 60.8% · guest 39.2%0:00 · Alex 60.8% · guest 39.2%3:00 · Alex 21.2% · guest 78.8%3:00 · Alex 21.2% · guest 78.8%6:00 · Alex 18.6% · guest 81.4%6:00 · Alex 18.6% · guest 81.4%9:00 · Alex 0% · guest 100%9:00 · Alex 0% · guest 100%12:00 · Alex 37.2% · guest 62.8%12:00 · Alex 37.2% · guest 62.8%15:00 · Alex 28.8% · guest 71.2%15:00 · Alex 28.8% · guest 71.2%18:00 · Alex 10% · guest 90%18:00 · Alex 10% · guest 90%21:00 · Alex 14.4% · guest 85.6%21:00 · Alex 14.4% · guest 85.6%24:00 · Alex 19% · guest 81%24:00 · Alex 19% · guest 81%27:00 · Alex 46.7% · guest 53.3%27:00 · Alex 46.7% · guest 53.3%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 16:02 Caitlin defends the difficulty of legacy wire building

When Alex suggests legacy wire incumbents merely pretend distribution is hard to insulate themselves from competition, Caitlin gently pushes back to emphasize that building media distribution networks is legitimately complex.

 Hardest push from Alex ▶ 15:37 Alex challenges legacy wire defensibility

Alex questions the true technical necessity of traditional wire infrastructure, pressing on whether legacy providers have maintained an artificial moat.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 14:54 Origins and mechanics of wire distribution

In response to Alex asking what actually makes a company a wire service, Caitlin and Neil detail the historical telegraph origins and explain how modern wires function via direct RSS feeds into newsroom CMS platforms.

 Alex holds their own ▶ 16:38 Alex highlights newsroom resistance to technology

Alex demonstrates his deep familiarity with media operations by pointing out how slowly traditional newsrooms adopt innovation, questioning how EZ Newswire overcomes institutional inertia.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicAlex as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementAlex pushing backWhy
Upleveling PR Practitioner Skills and Financial Modeling Analogies 4310 Alex draws on his experience as a tech journalist receiving PR pitches to frame the discussion. Caitlin politely reframes his question, explaining that AI will not necessarily make individual pitches stand out more, but will fundamentally uplevel practitioner efficiency.
Reimagining the Press Release and Challenging Legacy PR Structures 4200 Alex prompts the guests to explain the broken press release ecosystem and how EZ Newswire disrupts it. Caitlin and Neil articulate the press release's role as a formal document of record and explain how LLMs lower barrier to entry for smaller businesses.
Live Platform Demo and Anti-Hallucination Engineering 3400 The guests walk through a live platform demo customized to Alex's announcement. Neil provides deep technical context on how EZ Newswire codifies PR operational knowledge and fine-tunes prompts to prevent model hallucinations.
Wire Distribution Economics, Technical Architecture, and Quality Metrics 5511 Alex probes the technical definition of a wire service and the economics of publisher partnerships. The guests educate Alex on telegraph-era origins, modern RSS-to-CMS pipes, transparent pricing models, and making 20-25 LLM calls per generated release.

Statements from this episode (10)

Opinion
Kelly: AI raises PR baseline but won't make pitches stand out
“I don't think that a pitch necessarily is going to be able to stand out amongst a sea of good pitches. That's not going to be the outcome, but what I'm excited about in terms of outcomes is up leveling skills and capabilities and competencies for the average p…”
Caitlin Kelly Jul 24, 2023 ▶ 2:43
Opinion
Shah: OpenAI tools replicate a decade of financial modeling skills in minutes
“Now you can plug something into to open AI and you can develop a model in minutes. So that's taking probably something like 10 years of work and being able to replicate it in maybe not the perfect capacity, but you can get pretty darn close in, in, you know, i…”
Neil Shah Jul 24, 2023 ▶ 4:00
Insight
Kelly: Press releases are records of company momentum, not just pitches
“What the press release really is is a document of record for any organization to put a stake in the ground about their own momentum. It can be used as an internal motivating tool just as much as it can be for an external or for a journalist-facing pitch.”
Caitlin Kelly Jul 24, 2023 ▶ 5:46
Opinion
Kelly: Legacy newswires are clunky and lack transparent distribution
“As a practitioner, I've been using these products for over a decade, and what I found is that the experience is clunky. It's largely reliant on legacy distribution lists that are lacking any semblance of transparency”
Caitlin Kelly Jul 24, 2023 ▶ 8:00
Assertion Supported
Kelly: EZ Newswire Signed Its First Media Partnership With Associated Press
“Our first media partnership was with the associated press.”
Caitlin Kelly Jul 24, 2023 ▶ 11:14
Disclosure
Shah: Half of EZ Newswire users utilize its AI writing wizard
“About half of our users leverage our AI writing wizard. The other half have their own content ready to go, and they really just want better and more transparent distribution.”
Neil Shah Jul 24, 2023 ▶ 17:38
Assertion Supported
Shah: EZ Newswire is 90% cheaper than legacy wires on average
“It starts as low as 25 dollars. We actually don't charge for writing the content. The writing, the AI writing wizard is, is complimentary. You only pay really for the endpoints that you want guaranteed placement in. So those, and those endpoints, we work toget…”
Neil Shah Jul 24, 2023 ▶ 20:41
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Shah: 75% to 80% of EZ Newswire clients give AI output top ratings
“75 to 80% have rated our content creation a five out of five which means that there is minimal or no, no changes.”
Neil Shah Jul 24, 2023 ▶ 22:21
Disclosure
Shah: EZ Newswire makes 20 to 25 LLM calls per press release
“For any single, you know, for any single release, we're typically calling our models about 20 to 25 times.”
Neil Shah Jul 24, 2023 ▶ 23:25
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Kelly: Generative AI will never replace well-researched journalism
“None of this technology, none of this content is ever going to replace the work of well-researched journalism.”
Caitlin Kelly Jul 24, 2023 ▶ 27:00
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