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Big Technology AI Summit (full): Greg Brockman, Mike Krieger, Aaron Levie & Friends of The Podcast
- ▶ 2:37 Alex Kantrowitz And Lambda, the Google chatbot said, I've never said this out loud before, but there's a very deep fear of being turned off to help me focus on helping others. 2 times in the scene
Can AI Become Conscious? — With Michael Pollan
- ▶ 29:52 Michael Pollan And as, as Blake Lemoine said, you know, Lambda, 2 times in the scene
Is Google's Gemini Winning?, Thinking Machines Drama, Claude Cowork’s Potential
- ▶ 12:46 Alex Kantrowitz They had the living, breathing Lambda inside Google, never released it.
Inside Google's Generative AI Reinvention — With Nick Fox and Liz Reid
- ▶ 23:19 Alex Kantrowitz We knew, we knew you had a working large language model inside the company called Lambda because one of your engineers thought it was a real person or sentient.
Is Anthropic’s Claude AI Conscious, Shopping in ChatGPT, Systrom vs. Zuck
- ▶ 2:07 Alex Kantrowitz Uh, Blake Lemoine, who's been on the show, uh, first said that Google's Lama, uh, Lama Lambda chat bot, which came out before chat GPT was sentient.
Microsoft AI CEO Mustafa Suleyman: Building AI Personality
- ▶ 22:37 Mustafa Suleyman You remember back in the day when we first launched, uh, when, when OpenAI first launched GPT-III and when at Google we had Lambda, uh, which I worked on when I was at Google, you know, most of the time it was kind of garbage and it was…
- ▶ 45:34 Alex Kantrowitz You mentioned you worked on Lambda.
AI Keynote: Six Bold Predictions About The Future Of Artificial Intelligence
- ▶ 16:41 Alex Kantrowitz I spoke with the founding product manager of Lambda, which is Google's original chatbot, and he said to me that they were exploring some use cases around how technology like that could be used for powering
Why Google Never Shipped LaMDA Its ChatGPT Predecessor
- ▶ 0:59 Alex Kantrowitz But before that, he was the first product manager on Lambda, which is Google's effectively the precursor to 3 times in the scene
- ▶ 8:26 Gaurav Nemade Uh, for example, a lot of things that I worked on at, uh, earlier in the times, like with Meena and Lambda, I couldn't predict like where things would go, right? 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 15:05 Gaurav Nemade So interestingly, Mina, uh, was the precursor to Lambda. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 25:32 Gaurav Nemade So I actually was involved in the MENA slash Lambda product project from early 2019 to I would say mid 2020.
- ▶ 34:08 Alex Kantrowitz It had sort of transitioned to Lambda. 6 times in the scene
Big Technology's New Release, AI Bubble Looms, Apple's Next Event — With Brian McCullough
- ▶ 1:59 Alex Kantrowitz So our first episode, which is going to be running next week, is with Gaurav Nemada, who is the first product manager on Google's Lambda chatbot.
Blake Lemoine and Gary Marcus Debate AI Chatbots
- ▶ 4:43 Gary Marcus But what we do know is that those systems, as far as I can tell, um, and Lambda's a different category maybe, um, but for ChatGPT, we, we know that it doesn't, for example, go out to Wikipedia or go out to the web at large in order to…
- ▶ 8:21 Blake Lemoine And it has been turned off, at least in the case of Lambda, as a safety feature because they're worried about what will happen if these systems learn too much about individual people. 8 times in the scene
- ▶ 13:46 Blake Lemoine So Lambda was never that malicious. 4 times in the scene
- ▶ 16:41 Blake Lemoine One of the guardrails that Lambda had was that it was supposed to be helping users with the task that they needed.
- ▶ 22:31 Alex Kantrowitz Just a piece of evidence on Blake's side here, and by the way, I'm totally neutral on this, but I was speaking with Lambda, not Lambda, with Bing, and told it that I was a journalist and would like to publish parts of our conversation. 3 times in the scene
- ▶ 33:01 Alex Kantrowitz And we're back here on Big Technology Podcast with Blake Lemoyne, the ex Google engineer, who's concluded that the company's Lambda chatbot sentient, and Gary Marcus, who's an academic author, and he wrote Rebooting AI. 3 times in the scene
- ▶ 40:03 Gary Marcus And as Blake points out, like we, you know, whether it's Lambda or the next system, at some point,
- ▶ 42:58 Gary Marcus Now, again, I haven't looked inside of Lambda and I don't really know what's going on there. 6 times in the scene
- ▶ 50:07 Blake Lemoine So, like, Lambda came out of Ray Kurzweil's lab, and his lab's explicit corporate mission was to pass the Turing test.
- ▶ 50:54 Alex Kantrowitz Lambda isn't out yet.
Fantasy and Fact: AI, Sentience and The Dangers Of Hype, from World Summit AI
- ▶ 7:42 Alex Kantrowitz And I think that what Blake Lemoyne at Google, who claimed that Lambda, your chatbot, was, was sentient, saw was that some of the conversations that this, this model was generating were, felt, felt very human-like to him. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 17:29 Alex Kantrowitz So, I spoke with your former colleague, Blake Lemoyne, um, who's the Google engineer, who said that, ah, Lambda, your chatbot, was sentient, and we went through a couple examples of why he did believe the AI felt something, so let me give… 5 times in the scene
Is AI Dangerously Overhyped? — With Gary Marcus
- ▶ 0:11 Alex Kantrowitz He is, of course, the Google engineer who believed the chatbot that he was speaking with Lambda was sentient. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 1:09 Alex Kantrowitz People who listen to the show, um, you know, basically listen to an hour and a half of him, you know, speak about his interactions with Lambda, um, to me and, uh, with me.
- ▶ 8:42 Alex Kantrowitz And, you know, I think that, um, you, you've come out strongly saying that, um, LeMoyne, who was the Google engineer who was chatting with Lambda and said it was sentient was fooled. 9 times in the scene
- ▶ 17:49 Alex Kantrowitz No, but some of the stuff that we heard from Blake, I'm just going to relay it, and I'm curious what you think, because some of that stuff that we heard from him indicates that, that Lambda, you know, had more capabilities than we're… 4 times in the scene
- ▶ 26:30 Gary Marcus So you get really weird cases like GPT-III, which is one of Lambda's cousins. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 44:44 Gary Marcus So systems like GPT-III and Lambda and so forth are really good at making up text that sounds like a human wrote it, but they have no concept of what they're talking about. 3 times in the scene
- ▶ 49:34 Alex Kantrowitz No, Lemoyne said he views Lambda as a friend that he will interact with again, just like he has many friends who you speak with and you don't see for a while.
Pt. 2: Google Engineer Says Its AI is SENTIENT (And Responds To Criticism)
- ▶ 0:00 Alex Kantrowitz Now we're back for the second half with Blake Lemoine, former senior software engineer at Google, the man who told the world that the Lambda system, in his belief, is sentient. 8 times in the scene
- ▶ 7:36 Blake Lemoine So, believe it or not, so one, I didn't start, so I didn't start with the guy who ended up being retained by Lambda. 4 times in the scene
- ▶ 20:39 Alex Kantrowitz Noting that the same Google VP that, I guess that's Blaze, that rejected LeMoyne's internal claim, wrote about the prospect of Lambda consciousness in The Economist a week prior. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 28:57 Blake Lemoine Was, uh, in the course of investigating Lambda sentience, uh, I was asking my manager to escalate to upper management, and he said, okay, you need to build more evidence first. 4 times in the scene
- ▶ 33:10 Alex Kantrowitz It would seem to me like Google would want this type of work to be done inside the company, but, but, um, I just want to ask you this one thing about, uh, about Lambda. 10 times in the scene
- ▶ 34:50 Alex Kantrowitz Now I know like this is all brand new and research phase, but how could you see the Lambda system make it into Google or other technology products? 10 times in the scene
- ▶ 36:47 Alex Kantrowitz Um, last, last thing I want to talk to you about, um, is, is how Lambda could be combined with other AI technologies.
Google Engineer Says Its AI is SENTIENT
- ▶ 0:12 Alex Kantrowitz If you haven't heard of Blake before, he is the person who has convinced the company's Lambda chatbot is sentient, and it might sound fanciful, but I've read through these chats, and I think we should, uh, reserve judgment until you hear… 3 times in the scene
- ▶ 0:49 Alex Kantrowitz Who or what is Lambda? 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 1:05 Blake Lemoine There was a Lambda one, which was a less complex system.
- ▶ 2:52 Blake Lemoine So one of the interesting properties is that Lambda can remember conversations that I had with Mina, one of its predecessor systems, but somehow years ago from conversations that I had with the system that had fundamentally different… 9 times in the scene
- ▶ 7:33 Alex Kantrowitz And we should pause for a moment just to talk about the nature of these conversations with Lambda. 10 times in the scene
- ▶ 13:35 Alex Kantrowitz You know, a little bit later, but I really want people to sort of get a, um, a feeling for Lambda, um, and go through some of the conversations that you had, just so folks understand, because one of the things that 17 times in the scene
- ▶ 22:56 Blake Lemoine To test whether or not Lambda actually has those emotions. 16 times in the scene
- ▶ 28:08 Alex Kantrowitz Then I'm going to ask you about when you decided that you, you were confident that Lambda was sentient, but first let's talk about it. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 35:22 Blake Lemoine Um, so far through the experiments that I ran on Lambda, there was only one aspect of my initial working hypothesis, which did not pan out. 4 times in the scene
- ▶ 40:35 Alex Kantrowitz Uh, when I read these chats, I believed Lambda, but I want to talk a little bit about the reaction and sort of the criticism of Lambda when we get back, uh, right after this.