Gaurav Nemade

Former Founding PM, Google LaMDA · 1 appearance on the record.

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Gaurav Nemade was the founding product manager for LaMDA at Google. He shares insights into the internal development of conversational AI and why Google's ChatGPT predecessor was not shipped.

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5 assertions · 7 opinions · 2 what ifs · every statement was checked. The predictions and assertions are the 5 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 1 is resolved, and 4 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

The record, in short

What the tape says about how Gaurav argues and how the claims held up. Everything they said, and everything said about them, is in the tabs below.

Their most notable supported claim

Assertion Supported
Nemade: Bing gained only about 1% market share post-ChatGPT
“Bing maybe gained, like, one percent market share before and after ChatGPT.”
Gaurav Nemade Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 40:50 Why Google Never Shipped LaMDA Its ChatGPT Predecessor

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Everything Gaurav Nemade said on Big Technology that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Opinion
Nemade: Sundar Pichai's politically correct leadership lacks needed candor
“Versus I think I felt that Sundar's responses a lot of time were like very politically correct. I don't blame him. It's like his management style in some way, but I feel that the honest, the brutal honesty and candor, I think was something that I miss. And I f…”
Gaurav Nemade Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 44:45 Why Google Never Shipped LaMDA Its ChatGPT Predecessor
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Nemade: Google's early generative chatbot provided suicide methods and alcohol advice
“Like in the initial days of these generative models, as you can imagine, like we were trying to build an end-to-end model for a child bot. It would spew out all sorts of things like, Hey, what are 10 ways to do suicide? It'll give you like the best 10 ways to …”
Gaurav Nemade Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 14:11 Why Google Never Shipped LaMDA Its ChatGPT Predecessor
What-if
Nemade: Google could have safely released LaMDA using OpenAI's vetted-access model
“And I think OpenAI did an excellent job with respect to that. Like, they released GPT-III, and they were like, we are just going to give access to researchers who we are going to vet. That's an amazing way to give access. Now it's kind of pretty standard way, …”
Gaurav Nemade Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 28:15 Why Google Never Shipped LaMDA Its ChatGPT Predecessor
What-if
Nemade: Google would have taken 2-4 years to ship AI without ChatGPT
“Had ChatGPT not happened, I predict that It would have taken at least two to three to four years for Google to get there just because of the bureaucracy and the speed at which things move.”
Gaurav Nemade Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 39:04 Why Google Never Shipped LaMDA Its ChatGPT Predecessor
Opinion
Nemade: Google has grown conservative and overly obsessed with PR
“I feel like over the years, Google has become more and more conservative about doing things. They care a lot about PR, like public relations. They care a lot about how their image is shown in the media. And I feel that at least in my experience that played so …”
Gaurav Nemade Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 41:39 Why Google Never Shipped LaMDA Its ChatGPT Predecessor
Opinion
Nemade: Google is stuck between bottom-up roots and top-down management
“I think Google is struggling to be A top down company when their ethos are bottoms up. I think they're kind of somewhere in the middle and they haven't figured out how to transition from being a top bottom up company to a top down company.”
Gaurav Nemade Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 43:15 Why Google Never Shipped LaMDA Its ChatGPT Predecessor
Opinion
Nemade: Google's multi-layered approval bureaucracy prevents products from shipping
“The second is, I think over the years, there were a lot of bureaucratic levels that were built inside of Google for getting approvals for when things go out. I'm not complaining that they were not necessary, but it just like they're layer after layer after lay…”
Gaurav Nemade Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 28:48 Why Google Never Shipped LaMDA Its ChatGPT Predecessor
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Nemade: Google teams only noticed Transformer paper after citations grew
“I think once it started garnering a lot of citations over the months and quarters, that's when people started paying attention, even inside of Google that, Hey, this transformer architecture seems amazing.”
Gaurav Nemade Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 7:49 Why Google Never Shipped LaMDA Its ChatGPT Predecessor
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Nemade: BERT release triggered Google-wide rush to adopt transformers
“I think one thing that I remember specifically was the Transformers paper paper came out, but I think it started making a lot of noise when BERT was out. Like when people started seeing what BERT could essentially do. That was kind of Like a switch that went o…”
Gaurav Nemade Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 9:29 Why Google Never Shipped LaMDA Its ChatGPT Predecessor
Opinion
Nemade: Microsoft Tay fears made AI safety the biggest hurdle for Google
“I think the biggest challenge that they were facing at that point of time was safety because the if you remember Microsoft Tay, That was the nightmares of Microsoft days still haven't left the valley, I feel, or at least hadn't left the valley back then. So sa…”
Gaurav Nemade Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 12:18 Why Google Never Shipped LaMDA Its ChatGPT Predecessor
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Nemade: Google built an interactive Darth Vader AI prototype by 2020
“So we build characters like Darth Vader so we would kind of how did we do it? We used some data from Darth Vader, so the dialogue delivery was kind of similar to Darth Vader, and then we hooked up Like a moving talking head of Darth Vader, and then you actuall…”
Gaurav Nemade Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 33:14 Why Google Never Shipped LaMDA Its ChatGPT Predecessor
Assertion Supported
Nemade: Bing gained only about 1% market share post-ChatGPT
“Bing maybe gained, like, one percent market share before and after ChatGPT.”
Gaurav Nemade Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 40:50 Why Google Never Shipped LaMDA Its ChatGPT Predecessor
Opinion
Nemade: OpenAI ships vulnerably without obsessing over PR
“And on the other side, like open AI, like they don't give a shit about PR or like for the most part, they don't like, they're like, okay, this is what we think is right. This is how we think is a reasonable way of putting it out. They be well, they become vuln…”
Gaurav Nemade Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 42:06 Why Google Never Shipped LaMDA Its ChatGPT Predecessor
Opinion
Nemade: Google's internal enterprise search was poor despite its search dominance
“Like enterprise search kind of sucks. Like even inside of Google being a search company, like we had probably the best enterprise search, but it was still pretty bad.”
Gaurav Nemade Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 47:29 Why Google Never Shipped LaMDA Its ChatGPT Predecessor

Appearances (1)

EpisodeDateSpeaking time
Why Google Never Shipped LaMDA Its ChatGPT Predecessor Oct 30, 2023 29m

Played on the show (1)

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Big Technology's New Release, AI Bubble Looms, Apple's Next Event — With Brian McCullough Oct 25, 2023 45s clip played
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