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“The big three, what I call Microsoft, NVIDIA, and Meta, You know, they too are trading at a premium, about a 14% premium, but if you look at their peg ratio, this is growth adjusted on the bottom of that slide, right? They're basically trading in line with whe…”

“And I think if we got as enamored by that as building meta, you know, first of all, we'd have a lot less stress all the time. But I think we'd just be building, you know, more, more attractive and valuable companies.”

“They nearly tripled their earnings per employee, right? Their head count in Q three of 22 was 87,000. This quarter they reported 67,000.”

“Their video engagement was up 25% year over year, which is just like hard to get your head around. There's only one way to do that. That's through the application of AI.”

“Meta, Nvidia up 30, 40% even with the pullback that we had today. But the truth is the Nasdaq hasn't really moved that much. I mean, I think we're up three or four percent through today. If you look at the median stock, I think it's up about one percent.”

“Basically, because of AI, they've been able to backfill that monetization completely. Nobody thought, no investors thought that was going to be the case 18 months ago. So their core business got a lot stronger.”

“Zuckerberg is going to drive the price, right? He's going to give away frontier esque models on the cheap. Okay. And that's going to be highly disruptive to your ability to stack margin.”

“Listen, I don't think a 20 dollar a month fee for my consumer AI is going to be defensible. And the reason I don't think that's defensible is because they're going to be way too many people in the pool. Apple's going to have one. Google's going to have one. Me…”

“In two years, that company has gone from twenty two billion in net income to fifty five billion in net income. They've reduced their headcount from 85,000 people to 69,000 people.”

“Price performance, right? You get probably on, from a GPT-IV, you're more than 10 times cheaper. Right. And you're. Yeah. Yeah. 10 times cheaper. And well, let me just tell you, GPT-IV is 10 dollars per million tokens input and 30 dollars per million token out…”

“As long as Meta's free, I don't think anyone pays the 20 dollars. And I will say that is as things sit today. If some crazy feature comes along, you know, we've talked about personal memory, maybe, maybe that comes back, but for now, It feels dead.”

“And for us, we saw within the first 48 hours, it become the most power, most popular model that we run on Grok. And so really replacing what? Replacing Mixtrel eight by seven for us, which was, you know, generally considered the best open source model at that …”

“When the public markets gives you a sign, right, like it did Meta or Facebook in the fall of twenty-twenty-two when the stock goes to 90 dollars a share, right, there's nowhere to hide. You confront the brutal truth. You confront the reality. Public market inv…”

“So if you look at it for Microsoft, NVIDIA, Amazon, Google, Meta, earnings are up 38% over the last 12 months.”

“Well, first to say we own them all. Okay. And you know, the second thing I would say is Altimeter's peak exposure to these names was about 70% over the course of the last 12 months. So we had 70% of our dollars at one point in time in these names. Remember, at…”

“My quick reaction would be that Meta is somewhat unique in the group in that if there were an air pocket, you know, or something that came out of the LLM AGI world, they're not really, I mean, they're playing with the open source models, but they're not really…”

“If you're a closed model company, the question first is, okay, I'm going to have to compete and keep up with this frontier level competition. That's hard enough. It takes a lot of resources, but number two, Mark's going to give it away. You know, meta is going…”

“So it seems to me and our team's best guess is that Llama four is going to come in the back half of the year. Right. Maybe in November, December timeframe.”

“I would say that we looked at both inflection and character. We really liked what we saw at character. We wanted to be involved in it, but it was really hard to underwrite it for exactly this reason. We said the most likely outcome is that they're going to be …”

“OpenAI got to, you know, four and a half billion dollars of revenue in a fraction of the time it took Google and Meta.”

“I think what Meta and Mark are doing is very smart, right? Which is in some sense, he's trying to commoditize even his complement, right? It makes a ton of sense to me. If I were in his shoes, I would do that, right? Which is get the entire world converged. I …”

“I think Meta and Microsoft may even take their free cash flows close to zero and just spent.”

“Broadcom does have multiple custom ASIC wins, right? It's not just Google here. Meta's, Meta's ramping up mostly still for recommendation systems, but their custom chips are gonna get better. You know, there's other players like OpenAI who are making a chip, r…”

“Yes, I think they'll have they'll have a lot less success with Microsoft than they did this year. And they'll have less success than they did with Meta than they did this year.”

“And in 2024, the big five, so in this case, Microsoft, Meta, Nvidia, Amazon, and Google grew earnings at 44%... If you look at the other 495 companies in the S&P, their earnings only grew two percent.”

“Where he said they already charge license fees to the large hyperscalers to use Lama and to provide it to them in certain ways, etc. I think it's de minimis revenue in the scheme of Meta, but, you know, he's smart enough in that. Bill Gurley: I don't know. Bra…”

“I look at that and I say, does, is that a bubble? Right? Does this feel like a bubble? I say, no. It's not as good a deal as you got at the start of 23. And it's not as good a deal as you got to start at 24, but if we achieve the growth expectations we expect …”

“Get access to so much energy that's needed, we think, to drive AGI and ASI at numbers that are even well beyond the balance sheets of the giant Companies like a Microsoft, a Google, a Meta, an AWS, et cetera, an Amazon.”

“If this law is, is enforced, goes away. And most of that equity value probably goes to meta, right? And maybe a little bit to snap or if someone else pops up, but it just melts away.”

“I've said that I think this moment that we're in the next five years is going to be a golden moment of margin expansion for technology businesses, and frankly, all businesses. Human productivity is going to go up, which means the cost to do exactly, you know, …”

“So that would be a tax on, on the NVIDIAs and AMDs and others, and it would be a tax on Meta and Amazon and all the folks that would have to pay that tax, which likely means that you get less chips purchased and less AI research, right? So if our number one go…”

“As incredible as I think Zuckerberg and Meta are and the advancements they made, I have not particularly been impressed by the productization of Meta AI, right? It's basically just a search box stuck at the top of Instagram or stuck in my WhatsApp thread.”

“I think they will come through, and remember, when it comes to almost all product stuff, stories, copy, you know, catching up with Snapchat, or whether it's reels catching up with TikTok, they've always showed up to the party late, but they are grinders, and t…”

“I heard from several inference players that you and I are friends with that all of a sudden DeepSeek rather than Lama is the enterprise open source model of choice that everybody's experimenting with and playing with.”

“Cause I think it's a really critical window. I'm talking about like next three to six months could dictate who's standing on top of the hill five, 10 years from now.”

“What I'm hearing, Bill, is that it'll be a four hundred billion parameter model, It'll use like, it'll be a mixture of expert model using, you know, 50, 60 70 experts. It's gonna have huge context window, like ten million context window, you know, and it's gon…”

“Some of the players, most notably meta with Lama, have a usage restriction against the free use of the model at seven hundred million, and that's what you were referring to, and so at least in a tweet Sam suggested they won't have that in theirs.”

“That's pure profit, right? There's no incremental variable costs against serving those advertisers. So if that just disappears, you know, it's very, very high margin business.”

“Meta has done this interesting structured deal. They're buying 49% of the company. they're paying a thirty billion dollar valuation. So they're paying effectively fifteen billion. They're avoiding regulatory scrutiny. the CEO of scale is going to help lead e…”

“I guess, by the way, those apps had inherent virality, as you know. I mean, you're kind of the expert of that. This doesn't. This has no virality to it.”

“ChatGPT has been radically more resilient, and the engagement has increased much faster than I think any of us would have thought with that level of competition coming out.”

“At the same time as AI comes in, now the company's lean and mean, innovates, outcompetes companies like Google and Meta, doubles the size of the company as the employee count is down over 35%.”

“I think for the larger model companies and hyperscalers certainly custom ASICs are gaining a lot of share. And when you have control over the workload and you can you know, take the time to optimize your workload you know, that's certainly going to be a part o…”

“OpenAI, Anthropic, they were all paying people tons of money before Meta did this. They were paying them ten million a year, you know, maybe smaller than what you were talking about, but they were doing it.”

“My hunch is that they're going to stay very committed to open source, but they may compliment it with a proprietary model. That would be my guess. As opposed to scrapping open source altogether.”

“With OpenAI's release and, you know, Meta charges back, or even if some of these startups emerge that, you know, we can point at, I think we'll see a huge shift back towards those models versus, versus the Chinese ones.”

“I think part of the pitch to get everyone there is that it's open. Because everyone that they're pulling over are coming from closed places, and so if you're really passionate about the work you're doing, and you're passionate about where this is going to go, …”

“I think if we look at Q four this year or Q one next year, I'd be willing to say, you know, that a top three worldwide model will be a U S based open source model.”

“But they would like to have the same direct relationship with us, direct working relationship, and direct purchasing relationship. Meta, just as what Zuck and Meta has with us it's exactly a direct. Our relationship with between us and Sundar and Google, direc…”

“I think that OpenAI is likely going to be the next multi-trillion dollar hyperscale company. Hyperscale like, ah, like Meta's a hyperscale. Google's a hyperscale. They're going to have consumer and enterprise services, and, ah, they are very likely going to be…”

“You're going to see the hyperscalers. You're going to see Amazon and Meta and these guys back involved in the stable business.”

“Google, Meta, Microsoft, Satya, you had your earnings yesterday, you know, and we heard consistently not enough compute.”

“He shows that XAI's deal with Google for cloud computing generates more operating profit per gigawatt than Anthropic, than Meta, than Google, than OpenAI.”