Guest Sonny Madra explains to Bill Gurley and Brad Gerstner why Meta is unlikely to abandon open-source AI, highlighting researcher recruitment advantages.
“I think part of the pitch to get everyone there is that it's open. Because everyone that they're pulling over are coming from closed places, and so if you're really passionate about the work you're doing, and you're passionate about where this is going to go, and there's only one company that can fund that to that scale and do it open, is, is those guys.”
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AssertionSupported
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“There is no
Tie into CUDA that's required to go faster.
That's required to get the models running, right?
Obviously none of the three companies run CUDA.
And so that moat doesn't exist around inference.”
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AssertionSupported
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PredictionDidn’t hold up
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PredictionNot checkable as stated
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