Tony Fadell

Principal, Build Collective · 1 appearance on the record.

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Fadell is widely recognized as the co-creator of the iPod and iPhone at Apple, and co-founder and CEO of Nest Labs. Today, he leads the deep-tech investment and advisory firm Build Collective and authored the bestselling book Build.

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2 supported 0 partly supported 2 contradicted 2 not yet assessed 1 not checkable as stated how the 7 claims stand · each chip opens the sources

7 assertions · 5 opinions · 3 insights · 1 disclosure · every statement was checked. The predictions and assertions are the 7 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 4 are resolved, 2 are not yet assessed, and 1 names no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

The record, in short

What the tape says about how Tony argues and how the claims held up. Everything they said, and everything said about them, is in the tabs below.

Their most notable supported claim

Assertion Supported
Fadell built a secret Windows iPod project despite Steve Jobs' opposition
“And we actually had, I'd bring it up and Steve was like, over my dead body. And so I still created a skunkworks program in the back.”
Tony Fadell May 20, 2022 ▶ 14:49 Legendary iPod & iPhone Creator Tony Fadell Shares His Design Secrets · Joe Lonsdale

Their most notable contradicted claim

Assertion Contradicted
Menlo Micro switches can cut Indian ceiling fan power consumption by half
“So with this one switch that's, you know, very cheap, you can actually now cut that by 50%. Wow. So you're now only consuming three to four percent of that electricity in that country for these ceiling fans without any change in the product, any change in comf…”
Tony Fadell May 20, 2022 ▶ 38:08 Legendary iPod & iPhone Creator Tony Fadell Shares His Design Secrets · Joe Lonsdale

Expressed certainty vs assessment result

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weighted support: a fully supported claim counts one, a partly supported claim counts half. Each filled bar is clickable and opens exactly those claims; "none yet" means nothing said at that certainty level has resolved yet

How they sound: not measured why? →

We measure speaking style by listening to the audio itself, and a fair number needs at least 2,000 words from one person on tape we have measured. There is too little of Tony Fadell on measured tape to publish a rate. This says nothing about how they speak.

Everything Tony Fadell said on American Optimist that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Opinion
Google's culture lacks resilience because it never faced a survival crisis
“And the culture they created was one that was born out of abundance. And the abundance has not stopped. It started and it continued. It was always up and to the right. They've never had a near-death moment.”
Tony Fadell May 20, 2022 ▶ 31:27 Legendary iPod & iPhone Creator Tony Fadell Shares His Design Secrets · Joe Lonsdale
Assertion Supported
Fadell built a secret Windows iPod project despite Steve Jobs' opposition
“And we actually had, I'd bring it up and Steve was like, over my dead body. And so I still created a skunkworks program in the back.”
Tony Fadell May 20, 2022 ▶ 14:49 Legendary iPod & iPhone Creator Tony Fadell Shares His Design Secrets · Joe Lonsdale
Insight
Disruptive version-one hardware products require gut intuition over consumer data
“You have to trust your gut. For V ones. For the disrupt, first disruption for the version one. Many, many opinion-based decisions.”
Tony Fadell May 20, 2022 ▶ 19:15 Legendary iPod & iPhone Creator Tony Fadell Shares His Design Secrets · Joe Lonsdale
Opinion
The first-generation Apple iPhone functioned terribly as an actual telephone
“The iPhone was the greatest thing except for a phone, right? Cause the phone really sucked. Cause we were learning, right? By figuring out what to do with how to make good cameras even.”
Tony Fadell May 20, 2022 ▶ 25:22 Legendary iPod & iPhone Creator Tony Fadell Shares His Design Secrets · Joe Lonsdale
Opinion
Replacing petroleum with hydrogen yields higher profits for materials companies
“You could actually make higher profits if you use hydrogen instead of using the petro driven stuff that we do today. You can make a better company, better product.”
Tony Fadell May 20, 2022 ▶ 36:49 Legendary iPod & iPhone Creator Tony Fadell Shares His Design Secrets · Joe Lonsdale
Assertion Contradicted
Menlo Micro switches can cut Indian ceiling fan power consumption by half
“So with this one switch that's, you know, very cheap, you can actually now cut that by 50%. Wow. So you're now only consuming three to four percent of that electricity in that country for these ceiling fans without any change in the product, any change in comf…”
Tony Fadell May 20, 2022 ▶ 38:08 Legendary iPod & iPhone Creator Tony Fadell Shares His Design Secrets · Joe Lonsdale
Opinion
The 2022 market downturn is heavily concentrated in private markets
“Some of it's in the public markets. Most of it's in the private markets. Back in 2000, it was almost all public markets and not necessarily private.”
Tony Fadell May 20, 2022 ▶ 12:29 Legendary iPod & iPhone Creator Tony Fadell Shares His Design Secrets · Joe Lonsdale
Insight
Writing pre-launch mock press releases best establishes essential product constraints
“Everything is better when it has constraints. So you money, time, number of people, and the technology you're going for. But the best way to do the constraints, what I do, and this is all the story of why, and the, and you have to have a story for it, is to wr…”
Tony Fadell May 20, 2022 ▶ 17:12 Legendary iPod & iPhone Creator Tony Fadell Shares His Design Secrets · Joe Lonsdale
Insight
Truly necessary hardware products create an incredible barrier to competitor entry
“Really you have to go back to first principles and go, why are you doing this? And is this absolutely necessary because the friction is so high? But if it is absolutely necessary, that is an incredible barrier to entry. And it really can set you apart because …”
Tony Fadell May 20, 2022 ▶ 20:47 Legendary iPod & iPhone Creator Tony Fadell Shares His Design Secrets · Joe Lonsdale
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Andy Rubin pitched Android to Apple before selling it to Google
“I got a couple of calls from Andy Rubin at the time, who I worked with at General Magic, working on Android before Android was bought by Google. And so that was really like, Steve, we should listen to this.”
Tony Fadell May 20, 2022 ▶ 23:45 Legendary iPod & iPhone Creator Tony Fadell Shares His Design Secrets · Joe Lonsdale
Disclosure
Fadell's investment firm Future Shape prefers backing startups with two co-founders
“And that's the kind of companies we love to invest in when they really have a co-founder, not too many. No, no more than three, hopefully just two. It's hard when it's only one, but having that, those co-founders that can work together when one's up, pull the …”
Tony Fadell May 20, 2022 ▶ 28:12 Legendary iPod & iPhone Creator Tony Fadell Shares His Design Secrets · Joe Lonsdale
Opinion
General Magic attempted to build the iPhone 15 years too early
“I think what happened was in general magic was, you know, trying to make, you know, when you look back on it, the iPhone, 15 years too early.”
Tony Fadell May 20, 2022 ▶ 1:38 Legendary iPod & iPhone Creator Tony Fadell Shares His Design Secrets · Joe Lonsdale
Assertion Contradicted
Philips Velo and Nino were the first devices to support Audible
“And at Philips, I was doing the Philips Velo and Philips Nino. We were the first devices to Ever have audible on them.”
Tony Fadell May 20, 2022 ▶ 7:12 Legendary iPod & iPhone Creator Tony Fadell Shares His Design Secrets · Joe Lonsdale
Assertion Open · timeframe May 2022
Apple had under one percent US market share when Fadell joined
“Yeah, it was much smaller, and it had a market share of one percent or less, only in the US. It didn't have retail stores, it only had the Mac. There was really nothing else that Apple had at that time.”
Tony Fadell May 20, 2022 ▶ 13:15 Legendary iPod & iPhone Creator Tony Fadell Shares His Design Secrets · Joe Lonsdale
Assertion Open · timeframe May 2022
Apple's iPod held 85 percent market share when phones added music
“We were at 85% market share at the time, and the market kept growing and growing and growing.”
Tony Fadell May 20, 2022 ▶ 21:29 Legendary iPod & iPhone Creator Tony Fadell Shares His Design Secrets · Joe Lonsdale
Assertion Supported
Indian residential ceiling fans consume up to eight percent of national electricity
“In India, six to eight percent of all electricity produced is consumed by home ceiling fans. Just ceiling fans. Wow. Six to eight percent depending on the season.”
Tony Fadell May 20, 2022 ▶ 37:57 Legendary iPod & iPhone Creator Tony Fadell Shares His Design Secrets · Joe Lonsdale

Appearances (1)

EpisodeDateSpeaking time
Legendary iPod & iPhone Creator Tony Fadell Shares His Design Secrets · Joe Lonsdale May 20, 2022 27m
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