Jun 22, 2023 · 29m · american-optimist
Ep 63: Eddie Margain on Fleeing Mexico and Building Austin FC · Joe Lonsdale
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Entrepreneur and civic leader Eddie Margain joins host Joe Lonsdale and author Ryan Holiday to discuss his journey from early ventures in Mexico to founding Austin FC and Q2 Stadium in Texas. Through reflections on rule of law, leadership resilience, and civic responsibility, the conversation underscores the vital importance of protecting American opportunities and fostering strong local communities.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Joe holds 20.2% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Joe as informed peer 3.4 Guest teaching 1.8 Guest disagreement 0.3 Joe pushing back 0.3
speaking balance: gold is Joe, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 24:22 Rejecting the politicization of sports
Margain vehemently pushes back against introducing political messaging into soccer games, insisting that fans need sports as a pure sanctuary from daily stress.
Hardest push from Joe ▶ 6:34 Lonsdale critiquing mainstream journalism cultureLonsdale pushes back against contemporary journalism graduates, contrasting them negatively with Margain's principled father-in-law.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 8:25 Margain explaining why systemic corruption breeds cartelsMargain educates the hosts on the psychological breaking point of citizens when decades of rule-following yield poverty while rule-breakers prosper.
Joe holds their own ▶ 22:43 Lonsdale on owning a Churchill painting and Shultz's adviceLonsdale demonstrates personal domain knowledge by defending Churchill's landscape art as an owner and sharing first-hand mentorship advice from George Shultz about Eisenhower.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Joe as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Joe pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Eddie Margain's Early Entrepreneurial Career in Mexico | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Joe Lonsdale plays the role of an interested interviewer, asking open-ended questions about Eddie Margain's early career selling tech and Hello Kitty phones in Mexico. The atmosphere is collaborative and conversational with no confrontation. | |
| Differences Between Mexican and American Business Environments | 3 | 2 | 0 | 1 | Holiday and Lonsdale inquire about the structural differences between Mexican and US business environments and why Margain's family left. Lonsdale interjects commentary on modern journalism bias, which Margain smoothly clarifies. | |
| Social Incentives, Systemic Corruption, and Civic Virtue | 4 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Margain offers a poignant explanation of why individuals turn to cartel crime when the system continually fails honest workers across generations. Holiday and Lonsdale build on this by discussing institutional trust and civic virtue. | |
| Moving to Austin and Founding Austin FC | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Margain recounts moving to Austin, the community thesis behind bringing an MLS team, and recruiting local partners like Matthew McConaughey. The hosts listen attentively with encouraging affirmations. | |
| Building Q2 Stadium and Navigating City Development | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | Margain explains the difficulties of privately funding Q2 Stadium without city subsidies and addressing critics who wanted a larger capacity. Holiday validates the commercial success of the project. | |
| Leadership Evolution, Civic Legacy, and Bush Plane Adventures | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Lonsdale and Margain discuss transitioning from pure commercial growth to legacy community building, moving into how high-intensity hobbies like bush flying help clear mental load. | |
| Bush Flying in Alaska and Escaping Pressure | 5 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Ryan Holiday and Joe Lonsdale exchange historical examples of Churchill and Eisenhower using hobbies like painting and golf to decompress. Margain forcefully argues that sports should remain apolitical to serve as genuine escapism. | |
| How Leaders Recharge: Physical Exercise, Ranching, and Unwinding | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Holiday explains his routine of manual labor on his Texas ranch, while Lonsdale shares his personal habit of playing games to decompress. The group reflects on tactile tasks creating mental flow states. | |
| Churchill's Wartime Art and Finding Light in Dark Times | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Holiday details Churchill's wartime painting in Marrakesh with FDR, emphasizing the necessity of seeking beauty in dark periods. Margain closes with an optimistic tribute to American opportunity. |
Statements from this episode (17)
Margain: Company Created First Character Phone with Hello Kitty
“We came up with the first character phone. So we created a Hello Kitty phone.”
Margain: Initial Hello Kitty Phone Order Sold Out in Mexico in 10 Days
“First order and said, like, ok, this will last us for a year, maybe two years. Kids and stuff, and like, in a week and a half, gone. Only in Mexico. All of the phones, gone.”
Margain: Mexican Capital Access Is Controlled by a Small Elite
“Well, I mean, access to capital is different. Over there, it's super limited. So basically, there's a segment that basically control what's going on and what's, what can be done.”
Margain: US Capital Abundance Drives Business Collaboration
“Here in the US, we have way more access, we're way more collective, because there's more opportunities, we collaborate more.”
Eddie Margain: U.S. Rule of Law and 911 Reliability Will Fade If Unprotected
“We sometimes give it for granted here in the U.S. That you can just dial nine one, and someone that, someone will answer the call, and someone that you can trust, and that is going to come for help. And that's not true in many other countries. Like, we're bles…”
Holiday: Believing society is honest makes individuals act more honestly
“If you think you live in an honest society, you probably act more honestly than if you say a good guy, as you said, if I can't get ahead doing the right thing, that is a very bad word.
That is a,
That is a worldview, a vicious cycle that's hard to get.”
Lonsdale: Claiming the rich steal discourages honest entrepreneurship
“That's really interesting because it's something that really bothers me as an entrepreneur is when everyone thinks rich people must be stealing or taking things.
Cause I think that what it does is it discarges people from being honest, hardworking entrepreneu…”
Margain: The US is the best country because its system rewards doing the right thing
“That's what makes
The United States, the best country in the world.
It's basically that we have a system that incentivates more people to do the right thing and be successful and be rewarded for it.”
Margain: Pro sports teams build better communities by inspiring youth discipline
“When you have professional athletes in your community, they become the professional heroes of many kids, thousands of kids. So the thesis was, if you have those professional heroes, and you have 30, 40,000 kids wanting to be like them from year 10 to 20, ok, a…”
Margain: MLS is the most diverse sports league in the world
“In fact, MLS is the most diverse league in the world.”
Margain: Austin FC Received Zero City Funding for Q2 Stadium
“We didn't get a dollar from the city. Zero.”
Margain had never seen or attended an MLS game before co-founding Austin FC
“Before we did the MLS project, the soccer team, Austin FC, I hadn't seen or been to an MLS game ever. Zero. Had never been to one.”
Lonsdale: Elon Musk appeared exhausted and relied on memes to recharge
“I was with, you know, with Elon earlier recently, and he's just, like, exhausted from doing all these things at once, and he's just laughing a lot and talking about memes, and it's just clear, he's just, like, trying to, like, recover somehow from, like, doing…”
Holiday: Leaders need active physical hobbies, not passive meme viewing, to recharge
“The most important thing That a leader can have is a hobby. He says they have, they must have at least one or two hobbies. They have to be real. They have to be like stuff that you do. So watching memes is not a good enough hobby. It has to be something that h…”
Margain: Sports must not be politicized so fans can escape daily stress
“Going back to soccer, Like, that's why when they've tried to start, try to make it political in a way, or use it as a platform, it's like, I don't know, please, like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, bring it back, leave it alone, because this is what gives people …”
Holiday: Doing manual tasks you're bad at prevents one-sidedness and generates ideas
“I'm doing stuff that I could pay someone to do, but like, the fact that it's hard, I'm bad at it you know, it's humble, you know, all these different things, that allows me One, I always get ideas that I take back to what I do, but it just, it makes me less on…”