Product Operations
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Perri: Hire consultants instead of database engineers for data product ops
“What I wouldn't hire for that role as a first person is like a data.
It's not a database engineer, right?
Like that's not what we're doing.
We're not like
Sequel-ing, like turning things into the right SQL tables.
Like we're instead trying to get the info…”
Perri: Agile coaches without product management experience struggle in product ops
“And agile coaches who have never been a product manager before in a well-run company are going to struggle there because they're going to revert back to agile processes and optimizing for things like scrum, but they're not going to do what that role is designe…”
Perri: A 1-to-1 product ops to product manager ratio is fundamentally wrong
“I don't have a hard and fast rule on that one, but I would say like if you're at a one-to-one ratio, like you're doing it wrong.”
Perri: PMs must master data analysis even if product ops handles SQL
“And I think for product managers, you still need to be super comfortable with data. Like if you can't read these charts, if you can't see, understand trends, if, you know, and a lot of times too, if you're putting this stuff in Looker or, you know, a BI tool, …”
Perri: Product ops is not project management or stakeholder trade-off arbitration
“They're not project managers. They're not the people who are going to be on top of your developers, like watching them build things, making sure that everything's out on time. That's not their role either. They're not going to handle hard stakeholder conversat…”
Perri: PMs should never outsource product decision-making to product ops
“You should never be like outsourcing your decision making to a product ops person. That's not the point. Like they're the product manager for the product managers. That's how I think about it, right? So their decisions should be around how do I operationalize …”
Perri: Startups adopt product ops for data; enterprises for process
“So we usually see that high growth companies start with business data and insights and make sure that they have, they can actually monitor what they're doing and get the strategic inputs. We see larger companies and enterprises kind of go more towards the proc…”
Perri: Product ops informs PMs without removing decision rights
“Product operations does not take away decision making rights from the product manager. It's there to inform them.”
Itwaru: Deep customer knowledge separates product ops from program management
“The only thing that distinguishes product operations folks from program managers and agile is that product operations people know, understand the product, the customer, and the inner workings of the business.”
Itwaru: Never remove customer conversations from a product manager's core responsibilities
“Are you holding them accountable to truly understanding the customer in, in whatever way possible, especially going out and talking to the customer. Please don't have anybody ever take that right. And really spending time with their engineers and the customers…”
Itwaru: Product operations is the natural evolution of scaling product teams
“I personally believe there's this natural evolution
That happens at any mature function when it starts to grow in an industry and across an organization.
So think about marketing or sales, right?
This just started to happen with product managers.”
Perri: Product ops should standardize cross-functional deliverables, not internal rituals
“What I say is it doesn't standardize stuff that only belongs to a team. Like I don't care how a team does their standups. Like you choose how to do that. I'm not going to standardize that, but I do care what format your roadmap comes in. I do care how we make …”