Mar 7, 2022 · 3h 4m · acquired

SONY (75 years of electronics history in 3 hours) · Acquired

David Rosenthal · 1h 23m spoken Ben Gilbert · 1h 20m spoken Christina Cacioppo · 1m spoken Outro Singer · 4s spoken
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In this episode of Acquired, hosts Ben Gilbert and David Rosenthal explore the 75-year history of Sony Corporation, detailing its rise from post-war ruins to global supremacy across consumer electronics, entertainment, gaming, and semiconductor technology.

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Ben and David as informed peer 0.0 Guest teaching 0.0 Guest disagreement 0.0 Ben and David pushing back 0.0
05100:0020:0040:001:00:001:20:001:40:002:00:002:20:002:40:003:00:006:24–21:59 · Ben and David as informed peer 0/10 Acquired Community Announcements and Show Disclaimers This section consists of housekeeping, community announcements, and narrative stage-setting regarding post-WWII Japan without guest debate.22:00–30:47 · Ben and David as informed peer 0/10 Establishing TTK and the Earliest Innovations Co-hosts detail the creation of Tokyo Telecommunications Research Institute and early consumer prototypes in a collaborative narrative style.30:48–38:49 · Ben and David as informed peer 0/10 Tape Recorders and the Transistor Licensing Breakthrough The hosts explain the early tape recorder trials and Morita's breakthrough licensing deal for the transistor from Bell Labs.38:50–48:45 · Ben and David as informed peer 0/10 Rebranding to Sony and the Pocketable Radio Co-hosts recount the origin of the Sony brand name and Morita rejecting the Bulova OEM contract to maintain brand independence.48:46–54:48 · Ben and David as informed peer 0/10 The CBS/Sony Records Joint Venture and Norio Oga Ben and David outline the lucrative CBS/Sony 50-50 joint venture and the introduction of Norio Oga.54:52–1:07:28 · Ben and David as informed peer 0/10 Trinitron Color TV and the Betamax Format War The hosts discuss the Trinitron cathode tube innovation and the subsequent format war between Betamax and VHS.1:07:29–1:21:57 · Ben and David as informed peer 0/10 Developing the Compact Disc and Launching the Walkman The co-hosts chronicle the joint development of the Compact Disc with Philips alongside Morita's personal bet on the portable Walkman.1:21:58–1:24:57 · Ben and David as informed peer 0/10 Unlikely Cash Cow: Sony Life and Financial Services The hosts examine the formation and surprising long-term profitability of Sony Life and the broader Financial Services arm.1:24:58–1:27:54 · Ben and David as informed peer 0/10 Sponsor Message: Vouch Startup Insurance Ad segment detailing startup risk and commercial insurance products with Vouch.1:27:56–1:41:23 · Ben and David as informed peer 0/10 Media Conglomeration: Purchasing CBS Records and Columbia Pictures Ben and David walk through the multibillion-dollar acquisitions of CBS Records and Columbia Pictures and analyze vertical integration friction.1:41:24–2:06:44 · Ben and David as informed peer 0/10 Ken Kutaragi and the Creation of PlayStation Hosts cover Ken Kutaragi's secret Super Nintendo sound chip, the botched Nintendo-Sony partnership, and the massive success of the PlayStation 1 and 2.2:06:45–2:11:44 · Ben and David as informed peer 0/10 Modern Video Game Strategies: Sony vs. Xbox Game Pass The co-hosts analyze current console strategy, contrasting Sony's high-end hardware/exclusives model with Microsoft Xbox Game Pass.2:11:44–2:22:12 · Ben and David as informed peer 0/10 Consumer Computing Failures and Image Sensor Dominance Hosts contrast Sony's software and computing missteps in mobile/VAIO with their worldwide dominance in CMOS image sensors.2:22:13–2:30:57 · Ben and David as informed peer 0/10 The Spider-Man Deal: An Unprecedented Studio Partnership Ben details the unique licensing history of Spider-Man film rights between Marvel and Sony Pictures.2:30:57–2:37:26 · Ben and David as informed peer 0/10 Bull and Bear Cases for Sony's Future The hosts construct bull and bear cases around gaming platform shifts, supply constraints, and sensor margins.2:37:27–2:43:35 · Ben and David as informed peer 0/10 Seven Powers Analysis: Examining Sony's Defensibility Ben and David apply Hamilton Helmer's Seven Powers framework across Sony's discrete conglomerate divisions.2:43:35–2:47:41 · Ben and David as informed peer 0/10 The Changing Meaning of 'Made in Japan' The hosts reflect on the historical evolution of the 'Made in Japan' brand moniker from postwar manufacturing to modern decentralized supply chains.2:47:51–2:50:11 · Ben and David as informed peer 0/10 Sponsor Message: SoftBank Latin America Fund Ad segment covering SoftBank's Latin America fund thesis and portfolio company VTEX.2:50:12–2:58:54 · Ben and David as informed peer 0/10 Grading Sony: Apple Comparison and Historical Eras Co-hosts assign historical grades to Sony's diverse business eras and contrast its recent twenty-year market cap trajectory with Apple.6:24–21:59 · Guest teaching 0/10 Acquired Community Announcements and Show Disclaimers This section consists of housekeeping, community announcements, and narrative stage-setting regarding post-WWII Japan without guest debate.22:00–30:47 · Guest teaching 0/10 Establishing TTK and the Earliest Innovations Co-hosts detail the creation of Tokyo Telecommunications Research Institute and early consumer prototypes in a collaborative narrative style.30:48–38:49 · Guest teaching 0/10 Tape Recorders and the Transistor Licensing Breakthrough The hosts explain the early tape recorder trials and Morita's breakthrough licensing deal for the transistor from Bell Labs.38:50–48:45 · Guest teaching 0/10 Rebranding to Sony and the Pocketable Radio Co-hosts recount the origin of the Sony brand name and Morita rejecting the Bulova OEM contract to maintain brand independence.48:46–54:48 · Guest teaching 0/10 The CBS/Sony Records Joint Venture and Norio Oga Ben and David outline the lucrative CBS/Sony 50-50 joint venture and the introduction of Norio Oga.54:52–1:07:28 · Guest teaching 0/10 Trinitron Color TV and the Betamax Format War The hosts discuss the Trinitron cathode tube innovation and the subsequent format war between Betamax and VHS.1:07:29–1:21:57 · Guest teaching 0/10 Developing the Compact Disc and Launching the Walkman The co-hosts chronicle the joint development of the Compact Disc with Philips alongside Morita's personal bet on the portable Walkman.1:21:58–1:24:57 · Guest teaching 0/10 Unlikely Cash Cow: Sony Life and Financial Services The hosts examine the formation and surprising long-term profitability of Sony Life and the broader Financial Services arm.1:24:58–1:27:54 · Guest teaching 0/10 Sponsor Message: Vouch Startup Insurance Ad segment detailing startup risk and commercial insurance products with Vouch.1:27:56–1:41:23 · Guest teaching 0/10 Media Conglomeration: Purchasing CBS Records and Columbia Pictures Ben and David walk through the multibillion-dollar acquisitions of CBS Records and Columbia Pictures and analyze vertical integration friction.1:41:24–2:06:44 · Guest teaching 0/10 Ken Kutaragi and the Creation of PlayStation Hosts cover Ken Kutaragi's secret Super Nintendo sound chip, the botched Nintendo-Sony partnership, and the massive success of the PlayStation 1 and 2.2:06:45–2:11:44 · Guest teaching 0/10 Modern Video Game Strategies: Sony vs. Xbox Game Pass The co-hosts analyze current console strategy, contrasting Sony's high-end hardware/exclusives model with Microsoft Xbox Game Pass.2:11:44–2:22:12 · Guest teaching 0/10 Consumer Computing Failures and Image Sensor Dominance Hosts contrast Sony's software and computing missteps in mobile/VAIO with their worldwide dominance in CMOS image sensors.2:22:13–2:30:57 · Guest teaching 0/10 The Spider-Man Deal: An Unprecedented Studio Partnership Ben details the unique licensing history of Spider-Man film rights between Marvel and Sony Pictures.2:30:57–2:37:26 · Guest teaching 0/10 Bull and Bear Cases for Sony's Future The hosts construct bull and bear cases around gaming platform shifts, supply constraints, and sensor margins.2:37:27–2:43:35 · Guest teaching 0/10 Seven Powers Analysis: Examining Sony's Defensibility Ben and David apply Hamilton Helmer's Seven Powers framework across Sony's discrete conglomerate divisions.2:43:35–2:47:41 · Guest teaching 0/10 The Changing Meaning of 'Made in Japan' The hosts reflect on the historical evolution of the 'Made in Japan' brand moniker from postwar manufacturing to modern decentralized supply chains.2:47:51–2:50:11 · Guest teaching 0/10 Sponsor Message: SoftBank Latin America Fund Ad segment covering SoftBank's Latin America fund thesis and portfolio company VTEX.2:50:12–2:58:54 · Guest teaching 0/10 Grading Sony: Apple Comparison and Historical Eras Co-hosts assign historical grades to Sony's diverse business eras and contrast its recent twenty-year market cap trajectory with Apple.6:24–21:59 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Acquired Community Announcements and Show Disclaimers This section consists of housekeeping, community announcements, and narrative stage-setting regarding post-WWII Japan without guest debate.22:00–30:47 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Establishing TTK and the Earliest Innovations Co-hosts detail the creation of Tokyo Telecommunications Research Institute and early consumer prototypes in a collaborative narrative style.30:48–38:49 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Tape Recorders and the Transistor Licensing Breakthrough The hosts explain the early tape recorder trials and Morita's breakthrough licensing deal for the transistor from Bell Labs.38:50–48:45 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Rebranding to Sony and the Pocketable Radio Co-hosts recount the origin of the Sony brand name and Morita rejecting the Bulova OEM contract to maintain brand independence.48:46–54:48 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The CBS/Sony Records Joint Venture and Norio Oga Ben and David outline the lucrative CBS/Sony 50-50 joint venture and the introduction of Norio Oga.54:52–1:07:28 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Trinitron Color TV and the Betamax Format War The hosts discuss the Trinitron cathode tube innovation and the subsequent format war between Betamax and VHS.1:07:29–1:21:57 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Developing the Compact Disc and Launching the Walkman The co-hosts chronicle the joint development of the Compact Disc with Philips alongside Morita's personal bet on the portable Walkman.1:21:58–1:24:57 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Unlikely Cash Cow: Sony Life and Financial Services The hosts examine the formation and surprising long-term profitability of Sony Life and the broader Financial Services arm.1:24:58–1:27:54 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Sponsor Message: Vouch Startup Insurance Ad segment detailing startup risk and commercial insurance products with Vouch.1:27:56–1:41:23 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Media Conglomeration: Purchasing CBS Records and Columbia Pictures Ben and David walk through the multibillion-dollar acquisitions of CBS Records and Columbia Pictures and analyze vertical integration friction.1:41:24–2:06:44 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Ken Kutaragi and the Creation of PlayStation Hosts cover Ken Kutaragi's secret Super Nintendo sound chip, the botched Nintendo-Sony partnership, and the massive success of the PlayStation 1 and 2.2:06:45–2:11:44 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Modern Video Game Strategies: Sony vs. Xbox Game Pass The co-hosts analyze current console strategy, contrasting Sony's high-end hardware/exclusives model with Microsoft Xbox Game Pass.2:11:44–2:22:12 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Consumer Computing Failures and Image Sensor Dominance Hosts contrast Sony's software and computing missteps in mobile/VAIO with their worldwide dominance in CMOS image sensors.2:22:13–2:30:57 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The Spider-Man Deal: An Unprecedented Studio Partnership Ben details the unique licensing history of Spider-Man film rights between Marvel and Sony Pictures.2:30:57–2:37:26 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Bull and Bear Cases for Sony's Future The hosts construct bull and bear cases around gaming platform shifts, supply constraints, and sensor margins.2:37:27–2:43:35 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Seven Powers Analysis: Examining Sony's Defensibility Ben and David apply Hamilton Helmer's Seven Powers framework across Sony's discrete conglomerate divisions.2:43:35–2:47:41 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The Changing Meaning of 'Made in Japan' The hosts reflect on the historical evolution of the 'Made in Japan' brand moniker from postwar manufacturing to modern decentralized supply chains.2:47:51–2:50:11 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Sponsor Message: SoftBank Latin America Fund Ad segment covering SoftBank's Latin America fund thesis and portfolio company VTEX.2:50:12–2:58:54 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Grading Sony: Apple Comparison and Historical Eras Co-hosts assign historical grades to Sony's diverse business eras and contrast its recent twenty-year market cap trajectory with Apple.6:24–21:59 · Ben and David pushing back 0/10 Acquired Community Announcements and Show Disclaimers This section consists of housekeeping, community announcements, and narrative stage-setting regarding post-WWII Japan without guest debate.22:00–30:47 · Ben and David pushing back 0/10 Establishing TTK and the Earliest Innovations Co-hosts detail the creation of Tokyo Telecommunications Research Institute and early consumer prototypes in a collaborative narrative style.30:48–38:49 · Ben and David pushing back 0/10 Tape Recorders and the Transistor Licensing Breakthrough The hosts explain the early tape recorder trials and Morita's breakthrough licensing deal for the transistor from Bell Labs.38:50–48:45 · Ben and David pushing back 0/10 Rebranding to Sony and the Pocketable Radio Co-hosts recount the origin of the Sony brand name and Morita rejecting the Bulova OEM contract to maintain brand independence.48:46–54:48 · Ben and David pushing back 0/10 The CBS/Sony Records Joint Venture and Norio Oga Ben and David outline the lucrative CBS/Sony 50-50 joint venture and the introduction of Norio Oga.54:52–1:07:28 · Ben and David pushing back 0/10 Trinitron Color TV and the Betamax Format War The hosts discuss the Trinitron cathode tube innovation and the subsequent format war between Betamax and VHS.1:07:29–1:21:57 · Ben and David pushing back 0/10 Developing the Compact Disc and Launching the Walkman The co-hosts chronicle the joint development of the Compact Disc with Philips alongside Morita's personal bet on the portable Walkman.1:21:58–1:24:57 · Ben and David pushing back 0/10 Unlikely Cash Cow: Sony Life and Financial Services The hosts examine the formation and surprising long-term profitability of Sony Life and the broader Financial Services arm.1:24:58–1:27:54 · Ben and David pushing back 0/10 Sponsor Message: Vouch Startup Insurance Ad segment detailing startup risk and commercial insurance products with Vouch.1:27:56–1:41:23 · Ben and David pushing back 0/10 Media Conglomeration: Purchasing CBS Records and Columbia Pictures Ben and David walk through the multibillion-dollar acquisitions of CBS Records and Columbia Pictures and analyze vertical integration friction.1:41:24–2:06:44 · Ben and David pushing back 0/10 Ken Kutaragi and the Creation of PlayStation Hosts cover Ken Kutaragi's secret Super Nintendo sound chip, the botched Nintendo-Sony partnership, and the massive success of the PlayStation 1 and 2.2:06:45–2:11:44 · Ben and David pushing back 0/10 Modern Video Game Strategies: Sony vs. Xbox Game Pass The co-hosts analyze current console strategy, contrasting Sony's high-end hardware/exclusives model with Microsoft Xbox Game Pass.2:11:44–2:22:12 · Ben and David pushing back 0/10 Consumer Computing Failures and Image Sensor Dominance Hosts contrast Sony's software and computing missteps in mobile/VAIO with their worldwide dominance in CMOS image sensors.2:22:13–2:30:57 · Ben and David pushing back 0/10 The Spider-Man Deal: An Unprecedented Studio Partnership Ben details the unique licensing history of Spider-Man film rights between Marvel and Sony Pictures.2:30:57–2:37:26 · Ben and David pushing back 0/10 Bull and Bear Cases for Sony's Future The hosts construct bull and bear cases around gaming platform shifts, supply constraints, and sensor margins.2:37:27–2:43:35 · Ben and David pushing back 0/10 Seven Powers Analysis: Examining Sony's Defensibility Ben and David apply Hamilton Helmer's Seven Powers framework across Sony's discrete conglomerate divisions.2:43:35–2:47:41 · Ben and David pushing back 0/10 The Changing Meaning of 'Made in Japan' The hosts reflect on the historical evolution of the 'Made in Japan' brand moniker from postwar manufacturing to modern decentralized supply chains.2:47:51–2:50:11 · Ben and David pushing back 0/10 Sponsor Message: SoftBank Latin America Fund Ad segment covering SoftBank's Latin America fund thesis and portfolio company VTEX.2:50:12–2:58:54 · Ben and David pushing back 0/10 Grading Sony: Apple Comparison and Historical Eras Co-hosts assign historical grades to Sony's diverse business eras and contrast its recent twenty-year market cap trajectory with Apple.

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 4:20 Traditional compliance auditing critique

Christina Cacioppo explains the absurdity of legacy compliance audits relying on emailing screenshots compared to modern API integrations.

Hardest push from Ben and David ▶ 2:55:10 Challenging the 'F' grade for modern Sony

David pushes back on Ben's proposed 'F' grade for Sony's modern era, arguing that fivefold growth and survival makes it more of a 'D'.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 3:50 Explaining manual SOC 2 compliance

Christina Cacioppo educates the audience on the laborious standard process of manual screenshots and 70-page auditor reports.

Ben and David hold their own ▶ 2:51:00 2004 Apple vs Sony comparative financial analysis

Ben provides specific data points comparing Sony's market cap and net income growth since 2004 against Apple's dominant performance.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicBen and David as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementBen and David pushing backWhy
Acquired Community Announcements and Show Disclaimers 0000 This section consists of housekeeping, community announcements, and narrative stage-setting regarding post-WWII Japan without guest debate.
Establishing TTK and the Earliest Innovations 0000 Co-hosts detail the creation of Tokyo Telecommunications Research Institute and early consumer prototypes in a collaborative narrative style.
Tape Recorders and the Transistor Licensing Breakthrough 0000 The hosts explain the early tape recorder trials and Morita's breakthrough licensing deal for the transistor from Bell Labs.
Rebranding to Sony and the Pocketable Radio 0000 Co-hosts recount the origin of the Sony brand name and Morita rejecting the Bulova OEM contract to maintain brand independence.
The CBS/Sony Records Joint Venture and Norio Oga 0000 Ben and David outline the lucrative CBS/Sony 50-50 joint venture and the introduction of Norio Oga.
Trinitron Color TV and the Betamax Format War 0000 The hosts discuss the Trinitron cathode tube innovation and the subsequent format war between Betamax and VHS.
Developing the Compact Disc and Launching the Walkman 0000 The co-hosts chronicle the joint development of the Compact Disc with Philips alongside Morita's personal bet on the portable Walkman.
Unlikely Cash Cow: Sony Life and Financial Services 0000 The hosts examine the formation and surprising long-term profitability of Sony Life and the broader Financial Services arm.
Sponsor Message: Vouch Startup Insurance 0000 Ad segment detailing startup risk and commercial insurance products with Vouch.
Media Conglomeration: Purchasing CBS Records and Columbia Pictures 0000 Ben and David walk through the multibillion-dollar acquisitions of CBS Records and Columbia Pictures and analyze vertical integration friction.
Ken Kutaragi and the Creation of PlayStation 0000 Hosts cover Ken Kutaragi's secret Super Nintendo sound chip, the botched Nintendo-Sony partnership, and the massive success of the PlayStation 1 and 2.
Modern Video Game Strategies: Sony vs. Xbox Game Pass 0000 The co-hosts analyze current console strategy, contrasting Sony's high-end hardware/exclusives model with Microsoft Xbox Game Pass.
Consumer Computing Failures and Image Sensor Dominance 0000 Hosts contrast Sony's software and computing missteps in mobile/VAIO with their worldwide dominance in CMOS image sensors.
The Spider-Man Deal: An Unprecedented Studio Partnership 0000 Ben details the unique licensing history of Spider-Man film rights between Marvel and Sony Pictures.
Bull and Bear Cases for Sony's Future 0000 The hosts construct bull and bear cases around gaming platform shifts, supply constraints, and sensor margins.
Seven Powers Analysis: Examining Sony's Defensibility 0000 Ben and David apply Hamilton Helmer's Seven Powers framework across Sony's discrete conglomerate divisions.
The Changing Meaning of 'Made in Japan' 0000 The hosts reflect on the historical evolution of the 'Made in Japan' brand moniker from postwar manufacturing to modern decentralized supply chains.
Sponsor Message: SoftBank Latin America Fund 0000 Ad segment covering SoftBank's Latin America fund thesis and portfolio company VTEX.
Grading Sony: Apple Comparison and Historical Eras 0000 Co-hosts assign historical grades to Sony's diverse business eras and contrast its recent twenty-year market cap trajectory with Apple.

Statements from this episode (56)

Assertion Supported
Sony is Japan's second-largest company by market cap behind Toyota
“They are the second largest Japanese company by market cap behind only Toyota.”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:45
Assertion Partly supported
Sony is the world's largest video game console company and publisher
“They're the largest video game console company and the largest video game publisher in the world.”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:51
Assertion Supported
Sony is the largest music publisher and second-largest record label
“They're the largest music publisher and the second largest record label”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:57
Assertion Partly supported
Sony owns the world's third-largest Hollywood film studio
“And they have the third largest Hollywood film studio on top of all of that.”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 3:05
Assertion Partly supported
Sony co-founder Akio Morita was heir to a 400-year-old sake dynasty
“He is the eldest son Of the 15th generation of the Morita family of Nagoya, which is the family that controls one of the largest sake empires in Japan. And literally for 400 years, his family has been running this business and is one of the most prominent fami…”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 13:26
What-if
Akio Morita likely would have died in WWII without his engineering assignment
“If he hadn't done that, He probably would have gotten stuck on a boat and very, very high chance that he would have been killed.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 16:51
Assertion Partly supported
Post-war Tokyo had 47% homelessness and $17 per capita income
“47% of Tokyo citizens are homeless at this point. The per capita income in the country the next year in 1946, the first year after the war is 17 dollars.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 21:11
Assertion Supported
Sony's founding prospectus stated its mission was creating a stable workplace
“So he creates a founding prospectus for the company, which starts out that the purpose is to, quote, establish a stable workplace where engineers could work to their heart's content in full consciousness of their joy in technology and their social obligation.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 22:53
Assertion Supported
The Morita family made an initial 190,000-yen investment in Sony
“They get the blessing and a 190,000 yen investment in the new startup company. And over the next couple of years, the Morita family would put a little more money in over time and eventually own 17% of the company.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 29:39
Assertion Supported
The Morita family held 10% of Sony in 1999, worth $5 billion
“As of 1999, the family controls a 10% share, which at the time was worth roughly five billion dollars.”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 30:07
Assertion Supported
Sony's first tape recorder cost 160,000 yen per unit
“I believe the first product cost a 160,000 yen per recorder.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 34:05
Assertion Supported
Sony released its first transistor radio, the TR-55, in August 1955
“It takes two years, but two years later, in August of 1955, TTC releases their first transistor radio product, the TR 55 Portable radio.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 37:50
Assertion Supported
Regency and Texas Instruments made the first commercial transistor radio before Sony
“Now this was actually not the first transistor radio in the world. A American company called Regency had worked with TI to make a transistor radio in the US.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 38:07
Assertion Contradicted
Sony's TR-63 transistor radio sold 1.5 million units at $25 each
“Ultimately, the TR-sixty-three ends up selling 1.5 million units at 25 dollars each”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 42:18
Assertion Supported
Akio Morita rejected Bulova's 100,000-unit OEM order to protect the Sony brand
“We want to place an order for a 100,000 units that we're gonna bring over to America and sell through our channels... We want it to be the Belova TR-SI. We want to put our brand name on it, and I think Marita would later say that this was the single, like, big…”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 43:38
Insight
Company culture and values mean nothing until they are tested
“Company culture and company values don't mean anything until they're tested. And when I don't think he used the phrase direct to consumer, but when they sort of decided they wanted to be a direct consumer company, that's cute and all until someone offers you a…”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 44:34
Assertion Contradicted
CBS/Sony Records quickly became the most profitable division for both parent companies
“CBS Sony records. Which is the Japanese distribution arm of CBS's recorded music in Japan, becomes such a cash cow that within just a few years, it is the most profitable division for both Sony and CBS.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 52:03
Assertion Contradicted
Sony held the number one global TV market share for decades
“For Some ungodly amount of time, like decades from when the Trinitron TV comes out. Sony is the number one by market share TV manufacturer in the world.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 57:34
Assertion Supported
MCA sued Sony for copyright infringement over Betamax in November 1976
“So November in 1976, MCA files a lawsuit. Against Sony for enabling copyright infringement.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 1:03:11
Assertion Supported
Sony was the first Japanese company listed on the NYSE in 1970
“The first of which was in 1970, they became the first Japanese company to be listed on the New York Stock Exchange.”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 1:07:04
Assertion Supported
Sony launched the first commercial CD player in 1982
“In 1982, Sony brings the first CD player to market, and then lots of other manufacturers follow suit. And the great thing is Sony and Phillips are getting royalties on all the hardware and all the discs being sold out there.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 1:09:26
Assertion Contradicted
Compact discs became the dominant music sales format by 1986
“By 1986, CDs become the dominant recording format by sales, passing records.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 1:09:54
Assertion Partly supported
Akio Morita pledged to resign if the initial Walkman production run flopped
“The sentiment on the board and in the company against Merida, Merida at this point is The CEO of Sony was so strong that he had to make a promise that if the initial 30,000 unit production run didn't sell by the end of the year that he would resign from Sony.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 1:12:50
Assertion Partly supported
Sony sold 250 million Walkmans over the product's lifetime
“All in Sony sells a quarter billion walkmans in the life of the product.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 1:17:37
Assertion Supported
Sony Life has historically contributed over 50% of Sony's operating cash flow
“Like in some years, in, in recent years, as other Sony businesses have stumbled, the life insurance business is contributing like 50% plus of their operating cashflow.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 1:23:39
Assertion Contradicted
Sony Financial Group drove 63% of Sony's operating profit in 2014
“In 2014, 63% of Sony's total operating profit was Sony financial group.”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 1:24:08
Assertion Partly supported
Sony Bank launched in 2001 as effectively the first web-only neobank
“Sony bank came out in 2001 as a web only consumer bank in Japan. So it's kind of the first neobank.”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 1:24:23
Assertion Partly supported
Sony Music generates over $2 billion in annual operating cash flow
“As of recent years, Sony Music, the core of which is the CBS records business, does over two billion dollars in operating cash flow every single year, and they've owned it for 30 years.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 1:32:07
Assertion Supported
Sony paid roughly $6 billion total to acquire Columbia Pictures in 1989
“Now, of course, we're talking about Sony buying Columbia pictures in 1989 for 3.2 billion dollars, but that was the equity purchase price. Ultimately, when they assume debt and a few other things, they spend about six billion dollars to buy Columbia pictures.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 1:34:36
Opinion
Sony cannot build great software and services to differentiate its hardware
“They don't know how to build fantastic software and services that differentiate their hardware. They just make great hardware.”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 1:39:05
Assertion Partly supported
The video game industry reaches $180 billion, over triple Hollywood's scale
“Not only is the video game industry this year, a 180 Billion dollar industry compared to Hollywood, which is fifty billion dollars.”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 1:52:42
Assertion Supported
The original Sony PlayStation sold over 100 million units
“The original PlayStation sells over a hundred million units, and they win over all the major third-party developers to come over.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 1:54:46
Assertion Partly supported
The original PlayStation had 8,000 unique games versus Nintendo 64's 400
“By the end of the system life, it gets 8000 unique games compared to the N-sixty-four, which came out later, only gets 400 unique games on the platform, so that's like sense of scale here.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 1:56:38
Assertion Supported
The PlayStation 2 is the best-selling console ever at 150 million units
“And then the PlayStation two becomes the most successful console of all time. Over a hundred and fifty million units sold worldwide.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 1:57:01
Assertion Partly supported
Sony lost $5 billion on the PlayStation 3 in its first three years
“Sony loses five billion dollars On the PS three in the first three years.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:01:45
Assertion Supported
Sony lost its television market share lead in 2006
“In 2006, they lose the number one market share lead in televisions for the first time.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:02:45
Assertion Supported
Sony's television division lost money for eight straight years in the 2000s
“So for eight street years in the mid 2000, the television division, which was once, you know, one of the main crown jewels of Sony ends up losing money, like bleeding cash for eight years.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:03:22
Assertion Partly supported
PlayStation accounts for the top three best-selling video game consoles ever
“If you look at the top game consoles ever sold, PlayStation has three of the top three, with the PS two is the best selling of all time, then the PS four, then the original PlayStation. They also have four of the top six because in the number six slot is the …”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:06:05
Assertion Supported
Xbox Game Pass generates $2 billion to $3 billion annually
“Microsoft is now up to eighteen million subscribers to Game Pass, which to your point, I think there's like a cheap version at 10 and then a more expensive version at 15. So every year as an annuity is generating two to three billion dollars on Game Pass.”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:08:34
Prediction Held up
Microsoft will not make Activision games Xbox exclusive following the acquisition
“People are worried about with the Activision deal about whether Microsoft would make Activision's games exclusive on Xbox. I don't think they will.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:10:28
Opinion
Sony fails at product categories once they converge into general-purpose computers
“I think Sony doesn't know how to make computers, and as things become computers, they lose.”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:13:05
Assertion Supported
Sony commands roughly 50% of the global image sensor market share
“They have something like 50% market share in the image sensor market broadly.”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:16:40
Assertion Supported
Every Sony business segment accounts for at least 10% of total revenue
“Out of all of their segments, games, music, pictures, electronics, images, or imaging, and sensors, and financial services, there are zero single digit percent business lines in revenue or profit.”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:20:56
Assertion Partly supported
Only around 10% of Sony gaming sales come from console hardware
“Within gaming, most of the sales are actually coming from digital software and add-ons, which is related to the PlayStation Network. Only, like, ten-ish percent is selling hardware”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:21:43
Assertion Supported
Sony retains perpetual Spider-Man rights by releasing movies every 5.75 years
“Sony has the right to produce Spider-Man movies forever. Yes, in perpetuity, as long as they release one every five years and nine months.”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:25:08
Assertion Partly supported
Sony retained 95% of revenue from $1.7B-grossing Spider-Man: No Way Home
“And if you look at the performance of Spider-Man No Way Home, the one that just came out, that already grossed worldwide 1.7 billion in revenue. Remember, Sony is keeping 95% of that.”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:28:14
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Sony will continue to outpace competitors in mobile image sensors
“I think they're going to continue to have unbelievable gains above anyone else in the mobile imaging space. And I think that's going to only get more and more important.”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:31:23
Assertion Supported
Gaming accounts for 30% of Sony's total revenue and profit
“30% of both revenue and profit right now come from gaming for Sony and that's at risk.”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:33:50
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Microsoft will never completely take Sony's gaming market share
“I don't think Microsoft is going to like completely take the market from them now or possibly ever.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:35:21
Opinion
Only Apple has the balance sheet to rival Meta in VR
“I think Meta is investing just gobs and gobs of money and talent and everything into the next five versions of the, you know, MetaQuest and everything that's gonna come after that, and I don't know, at this point I'm not sure there's a balance sheet deep enoug…”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:36:28
Prediction Not checkable as stated
The shift to game subscriptions will erode console platform moats
“If the industry moves much more to subscription dynamics, I do think a lot of this power goes away. Switching costs become a lot lower. Network economies become a lot less powerful.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:42:38
Assertion Supported
Akio Morita aimed to transform 'Made in Japan' into a quality mark
“Cause famously, Akio Morita's goal with Sony was to transform made in Japan on a product from, oh, this is of low quality to, oh, this is of high quality.”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:43:57
Insight
Any manufacturing region on a learning curve will eventually achieve high quality
“And I just assume that any location that's coming up the learning curve of product production is going to get to a high quality place.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:46:25
Assertion Partly supported
Apple's revenue grows at 30% annually compared to Sony's 15%
“Apple is also growing their revenue twice as fast, even with the crazy high numbers that they have today at 30% per year versus Sony's 15% per year.”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:51:14
Opinion
Apple built history's greatest business while Sony became relatively undifferentiated
“Apple by shifting down to just a few product lines and focusing on the integration of hardware, software, and services, not to mention pseudo monopolistic distribution channels like the app store have just built Like the greatest business in history and Sony …”
Ben Gilbert Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 2:52:03
Opinion
The Tesla brand and customer experience resemble 1990s Sony
“I feel like the Tesla brand and the experience and all about it is just like Sony back in the nineties.”
David Rosenthal Mar 7, 2022 ▶ 3:00:55
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