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The Browser (with Brendan Eich, Chief Architect of Netscape + Mozilla and CEO of Brave) · Acquired Feb 15, 2022 · 76 mentions

• ▶ 6:00 Brendan Eich So Brave is a faster browser because it blocks all the trackers, many of which Google or its publishers or ad buyers depend on, and it's based on Chrome, the Chromium open source code.
• ▶ 6:00 Brendan Eich So Brave is a faster browser because it blocks all the trackers, many of which Google or its publishers or ad buyers depend on, and it's based on Chrome, the Chromium open source code.
• ▶ 6:17 Brendan Eich So if you were using Google Chrome, which kind of swept the market up to 70%, let's say, or more of market share, uh, 2.65 billion users, they say,
• ▶ 6:27 Brendan Eich You should get off Chrome and you should use Brave.
• ▶ 8:48 Brendan Eich Not just the ones Google sees through its search engine or its many trackers around the web.
• ▶ 12:28 Brendan Eich The company that Google acquired as DoubleClick in 2008.
• ▶ 27:59 Brendan Eich That was the first browser extension ecosystem way ahead of Chrome's.
• ▶ 31:04 Brendan Eich And at that point, we, I'd made contact with Sergey Brin through somebody he sent my way named Fritz Schneider, and we'd gotten the search deal going in 0.9, but we'd also gotten Fritz's team, the gin team at Google helping Firefox.
• ▶ 31:16 Brendan Eich So they were working on browsers before Chrome, and the browser to work on was Firefox.
• ▶ 35:12 Brendan Eich Rockmelt was when after Chrome came out and was based on the Chrome fork of WebKit, which wasn't its own thing really then, and tried to add social.
• ▶ 36:05 Brendan Eich I talked to Andy Rubin at Google in 2006.
• ▶ 36:37 Brendan Eich And UCWeb grew against Chrome in Indonesia and Bangladesh and India.
• ▶ 36:42 Brendan Eich In some Indian states, it had more share than Chrome.
• ▶ 37:16 Brendan Eich I have to say there was probably some implicit concern about the Google search partnership and what would be the effect on that.
• ▶ 37:30 Brendan Eich Yeah, it really was the one big trick for funding Mozilla, and it was, you know, good while it lasted, but it also foretold Google doing its own browser, right?
• ▶ 37:40 Brendan Eich We didn't want to take so much revenue in the, in the deal that it became cheaper for them to do Chrome, so we tried to adjust that, but all we did was defer Chrome maybe a few months, a year at most.
• ▶ 38:09 Brendan Eich And that became the basis for not only what they put in Safari, but for Chrome.
• ▶ 38:26 Brendan Eich So we knew in 2006 they were doing it.
• ▶ 38:29 Brendan Eich We knew that they were at that point pulling people off Firefox.
• ▶ 38:37 Brendan Eich And it took them a while to get it out.
• ▶ 39:09 Brendan Eich But at some point, I don't know when, I heard this from a friend who was at Google.
• ▶ 39:13 Brendan Eich Larry sat up and said, wait, we're running a search advertising business, and Chrome isn't tracking our users.
• ▶ 39:20 Brendan Eich And so in 2016, Google's privacy policy changed.
• ▶ 39:33 Brendan Eich They sort of said Google's crossed the Rubicon.
• ▶ 39:35 Brendan Eich They've connected all their data into one big ad exchange and data collection system.
• ▶ 39:41 Brendan Eich With a carve out for Google Analytics, it's not clear how much Google Analytics is private anymore.
• ▶ 39:45 Brendan Eich And Chrome, if you sign into the browser, which is a separate feature in the upper right corner, using your Google account, then you're tracked for ad targeting.
• ▶ 39:55 Brendan Eich It's Google's business.
• ▶ 40:00 Brendan Eich Well, in 2018 September, Google said, gosh
• ▶ 40:19 Brendan Eich But I used to do talks at conferences, ask how many people were using Chrome, how many people knew this, how many people opted out.
• ▶ 40:30 Brendan Eich This is not just Google.
• ▶ 41:08 Brendan Eich When I was thinking about Brave, I realized not only had Mozilla become captured by its search partner and was probably going to die because it couldn't compete, not just on Chrome intrinsic qualities, but on distribution, which really…
• ▶ 41:49 Brendan Eich And this is a problem for Google.
• ▶ 41:50 Brendan Eich So Google has to pay to distribute Chrome.
• ▶ 41:50 Brendan Eich So Google has to pay to distribute Chrome.
• ▶ 42:37 Brendan Eich Google engineers who've been using telco dark fiber without encrypting their backbone traffic were outraged, I think.
• ▶ 46:27 Brendan Eich And now even Google's trying to claim to invent the privacy sandbox to save its business.
• ▶ 47:50 Brendan Eich It's usually vendors that hire that do it, or Google, Facebook, and so on.
• ▶ 48:30 Brendan Eich They used uBlock Origin on Chrome, and now they're using Brave, and I can't get to them through my usual, you know, media channels and advertising methods.
• ▶ 48:47 Brendan Eich I was interested in it from a young age, but I also at Mozilla thought, we're going to get killed by Google.
• ▶ 50:18 Brendan Eich Matt Cutts, when he was at Google, used to blog, and he tried to be transparent about it, but it was clear Google had a lot of power, and there's sort of a, a black box that they're operating inside of,
• ▶ 57:16 Brendan Eich It means that when the publisher is loading all these third party tags from Google and others, they can fight each other.
• ▶ 57:40 Brendan Eich ID in Google's ad exchange, which is a fraud operator, against the true New York Times ad ID.
• ▶ 57:46 Brendan Eich And that Google still gets the fee when this advertising money is stolen by fraudsters makes Google complicit with the fraudsters to some degree.
• ▶ 1:01:24 Brendan Eich That was horrifying to discover, and it's kind of bloated and replaced a lot of middleware files in the Chromium code that Google was
• ▶ 1:01:38 Brendan Eich Now, the downside of this is we look a lot like Chrome.
• ▶ 1:01:46 Brendan Eich We have our own look for the tabs, but it still looks a little like Chrome.
• ▶ 1:01:50 Brendan Eich It's got Chrome extensions, which can be loaded if they don't use the Google account system I mentioned that's for tracking that we disable.
• ▶ 1:01:50 Brendan Eich It's got Chrome extensions, which can be loaded if they don't use the Google account system I mentioned that's for tracking that we disable.
• ▶ 1:01:56 Brendan Eich But, you know, it's still a little bit too Chromey, and yet I think it's worth it because that helped us get users off Chrome.
• ▶ 1:02:02 Brendan Eich Until we really did that rebasing on the front end of Chrome, we were paying a growing maintenance cost on all this electron forkage, and our users were suffering because it wasn't fully Chrome.
• ▶ 1:02:18 Brendan Eich So we switched to a more complete Chrome fork like a lot of browsers use.
• ▶ 1:03:42 Brendan Eich Even if we use the Gecko source, you know, we have to go get Google Widevine, which Google made free as in beer.
• ▶ 1:03:57 Brendan Eich Well, Google's giving it out, but they're really only giving it out for Chromium based browsers.
• ▶ 1:04:33 Brendan Eich We came out with a brave core based browser, which is our maintainable version of chromium blink and our own front end still close to Google's and
• ▶ 1:05:10 Brendan Eich I mentioned Chrome is alleged to have 2.65 billion users.
• ▶ 1:05:16 Brendan Eich I uninstalled Chrome.
• ▶ 1:05:23 Brendan Eich Google denies it, but just phenomenologically, life got better when I ripped all that out.
• ▶ 1:14:26 Brendan Eich That's why Google only pays for default because they're king of the hill and they figure they'll get the traffic anyway.
• ▶ 1:16:20 Brendan Eich You know, go to this Google form and we'll help you get your, your key recovered.
• ▶ 1:16:27 Brendan Eich And you go to the Google form and right above the fine print from Google that says, don't enter any personal private data or passwords in this form is a field saying, give us your 12 words, your funny words.
• ▶ 1:16:27 Brendan Eich And you go to the Google form and right above the fine print from Google that says, don't enter any personal private data or passwords in this form is a field saying, give us your 12 words, your funny words.
• ▶ 1:28:58 Brendan Eich Pre-installs aren't really happening outside of the apps from the OS superpower like Android, Google, or iOS, Apple.
• ▶ 1:29:45 Brendan Eich Ongoing, you know, web standards still, in spite of Google's dominance and somewhat strong arm tactics, you still get standards evolution.
• ▶ 1:30:15 Brendan Eich So when we get to the scale of toward four hundred million or more users, we will have opportunities to do things, including with the basic attention token that you couldn't have done out of the box earlier, and that would look like…
• ▶ 1:30:33 Brendan Eich And, you know, we're not just aiming at Google.
• ▶ 1:30:38 Brendan Eich Google's
• ▶ 1:30:47 Brendan Eich Google may end up that way sooner or later, but we're looking at a world where users are sovereign.
• ▶ 1:35:16 Brendan Eich I bet there's somebody at Google who's looked at this.
• ▶ 1:35:17 Brendan Eich I know Google had a wallet or may even have a wallet team that does some outward bound stuff, and they never connected it with Chrome.
• ▶ 1:35:17 Brendan Eich I know Google had a wallet or may even have a wallet team that does some outward bound stuff, and they never connected it with Chrome.
• ▶ 1:36:11 Brendan Eich So, you know, Google may have a wallet, but it might just be a me too, and it might be kind of weak when they do.
• ▶ 1:36:26 Brendan Eich It really is hard for Google to innovate.
• ▶ 1:37:12 Brendan Eich So, you know, we're trying to get people off of Chrome and that's a matter of getting people to see that it's easy to migrate.
• ▶ 1:37:21 Brendan Eich And then you can cut the cord with Chrome.
• ▶ 1:38:10 Brendan Eich If you're taking users from Chrome, we could both take and not really interfere with Joe.