Dec 15, 2018 · 26m · a16z

Crypto, Beyond Silk Road

Katie Haun · 21m spoken
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In this a16z Summit keynote, former federal prosecutor and a16z crypto General Partner Kathryn Haun demonstrates how blockchain transparency helped solve high-profile cybercrimes like the Silk Road corruption case. She illustrates how cryptocurrency is evolving beyond early darknet misconceptions into a vital infrastructure for global financial inclusion and innovation.

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The host as informed peer 0.0 Guest teaching 1.5 Guest disagreement 0.5 The host pushing back 0.0
05100:0010:0020:000:00–2:17 · The host as informed peer 0/10 Title Graphic and Legal Disclaimer Katie Haun delivers a solo keynote presentation detailing her transition from federal prosecutor to crypto investor. Since the host is absent from this monologue, host expertise and pushback are zero.2:17–5:23 · The host as informed peer 0/10 The Silk Road Investigation and Undercover Agent Nob Haun explains the background of the Silk Road marketplace, Dread Pirate Roberts, and undercover agent Nob. The host is not involved in this presentation segment.5:23–8:33 · The host as informed peer 0/10 Internal Theft, Extortion, and a Staged Assassination Haun describes extortion attempts on DPR, internal theft, and the staged murder of Curtis Green. This continues her solo narrative style without host interaction.8:33–17:26 · The host as informed peer 0/10 The Glen Park Library Arrest of Ross Ulbricht Haun details the arrest of Ross Ulbricht at Glen Park Library and how blockchain tracing uncovered rogue federal agents Nob and Sean Bridges. Host scores remain zero for this monologue.17:26–24:46 · The host as informed peer 0/10 Solving High-Profile Cybercrimes with Blockchain Forensics Haun discusses solving cybercrimes like Mt. Gox and highlights legitimate global crypto use cases in Venezuela and Afghanistan. Host activity is zero due to the presentation format.24:46–26:37 · The host as informed peer 0/10 Parallels in Technology Infrastructure and Long-Term Potential Haun compares current crypto infrastructure limitations to the early days of automobiles and dial-up internet. The segment concludes her uninterrupted monologue.0:00–2:17 · Guest teaching 2/10 Title Graphic and Legal Disclaimer Katie Haun delivers a solo keynote presentation detailing her transition from federal prosecutor to crypto investor. Since the host is absent from this monologue, host expertise and pushback are zero.2:17–5:23 · Guest teaching 1/10 The Silk Road Investigation and Undercover Agent Nob Haun explains the background of the Silk Road marketplace, Dread Pirate Roberts, and undercover agent Nob. The host is not involved in this presentation segment.5:23–8:33 · Guest teaching 1/10 Internal Theft, Extortion, and a Staged Assassination Haun describes extortion attempts on DPR, internal theft, and the staged murder of Curtis Green. This continues her solo narrative style without host interaction.8:33–17:26 · Guest teaching 2/10 The Glen Park Library Arrest of Ross Ulbricht Haun details the arrest of Ross Ulbricht at Glen Park Library and how blockchain tracing uncovered rogue federal agents Nob and Sean Bridges. Host scores remain zero for this monologue.17:26–24:46 · Guest teaching 2/10 Solving High-Profile Cybercrimes with Blockchain Forensics Haun discusses solving cybercrimes like Mt. Gox and highlights legitimate global crypto use cases in Venezuela and Afghanistan. Host activity is zero due to the presentation format.24:46–26:37 · Guest teaching 1/10 Parallels in Technology Infrastructure and Long-Term Potential Haun compares current crypto infrastructure limitations to the early days of automobiles and dial-up internet. The segment concludes her uninterrupted monologue.0:00–2:17 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Title Graphic and Legal Disclaimer Katie Haun delivers a solo keynote presentation detailing her transition from federal prosecutor to crypto investor. Since the host is absent from this monologue, host expertise and pushback are zero.2:17–5:23 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The Silk Road Investigation and Undercover Agent Nob Haun explains the background of the Silk Road marketplace, Dread Pirate Roberts, and undercover agent Nob. The host is not involved in this presentation segment.5:23–8:33 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Internal Theft, Extortion, and a Staged Assassination Haun describes extortion attempts on DPR, internal theft, and the staged murder of Curtis Green. This continues her solo narrative style without host interaction.8:33–17:26 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The Glen Park Library Arrest of Ross Ulbricht Haun details the arrest of Ross Ulbricht at Glen Park Library and how blockchain tracing uncovered rogue federal agents Nob and Sean Bridges. Host scores remain zero for this monologue.17:26–24:46 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Solving High-Profile Cybercrimes with Blockchain Forensics Haun discusses solving cybercrimes like Mt. Gox and highlights legitimate global crypto use cases in Venezuela and Afghanistan. Host activity is zero due to the presentation format.24:46–26:37 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Parallels in Technology Infrastructure and Long-Term Potential Haun compares current crypto infrastructure limitations to the early days of automobiles and dial-up internet. The segment concludes her uninterrupted monologue.0:00–2:17 · The host pushing back 0/10 Title Graphic and Legal Disclaimer Katie Haun delivers a solo keynote presentation detailing her transition from federal prosecutor to crypto investor. Since the host is absent from this monologue, host expertise and pushback are zero.2:17–5:23 · The host pushing back 0/10 The Silk Road Investigation and Undercover Agent Nob Haun explains the background of the Silk Road marketplace, Dread Pirate Roberts, and undercover agent Nob. The host is not involved in this presentation segment.5:23–8:33 · The host pushing back 0/10 Internal Theft, Extortion, and a Staged Assassination Haun describes extortion attempts on DPR, internal theft, and the staged murder of Curtis Green. This continues her solo narrative style without host interaction.8:33–17:26 · The host pushing back 0/10 The Glen Park Library Arrest of Ross Ulbricht Haun details the arrest of Ross Ulbricht at Glen Park Library and how blockchain tracing uncovered rogue federal agents Nob and Sean Bridges. Host scores remain zero for this monologue.17:26–24:46 · The host pushing back 0/10 Solving High-Profile Cybercrimes with Blockchain Forensics Haun discusses solving cybercrimes like Mt. Gox and highlights legitimate global crypto use cases in Venezuela and Afghanistan. Host activity is zero due to the presentation format.24:46–26:37 · The host pushing back 0/10 Parallels in Technology Infrastructure and Long-Term Potential Haun compares current crypto infrastructure limitations to the early days of automobiles and dial-up internet. The segment concludes her uninterrupted monologue.

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 0:35 Addressing early federal misconceptions

Haun mildly challenges early government assumptions that Bitcoin could simply be shut down like a centralized company.

Hardest push from the host ▶ 0:00 No host pushback present

The host Steph Smith does not speak during this solo keynote presentation, resulting in zero host pushback.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 12:00 Explaining blockchain immutability in law enforcement

Haun educates the audience on how the permanent cryptographic ledger rendered corrupt federal agents incapable of destroying evidence.

The host holds their own ▶ 0:00 No host expertise demonstrated

Because the transcript consists entirely of a solo speech by Katie Haun, the host has no speaking time to demonstrate expertise.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicThe host as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementThe host pushing backWhy
Title Graphic and Legal Disclaimer 0210 Katie Haun delivers a solo keynote presentation detailing her transition from federal prosecutor to crypto investor. Since the host is absent from this monologue, host expertise and pushback are zero.
The Silk Road Investigation and Undercover Agent Nob 0100 Haun explains the background of the Silk Road marketplace, Dread Pirate Roberts, and undercover agent Nob. The host is not involved in this presentation segment.
Internal Theft, Extortion, and a Staged Assassination 0100 Haun describes extortion attempts on DPR, internal theft, and the staged murder of Curtis Green. This continues her solo narrative style without host interaction.
The Glen Park Library Arrest of Ross Ulbricht 0200 Haun details the arrest of Ross Ulbricht at Glen Park Library and how blockchain tracing uncovered rogue federal agents Nob and Sean Bridges. Host scores remain zero for this monologue.
Solving High-Profile Cybercrimes with Blockchain Forensics 0210 Haun discusses solving cybercrimes like Mt. Gox and highlights legitimate global crypto use cases in Venezuela and Afghanistan. Host activity is zero due to the presentation format.
Parallels in Technology Infrastructure and Long-Term Potential 0110 Haun compares current crypto infrastructure limitations to the early days of automobiles and dial-up internet. The segment concludes her uninterrupted monologue.

Statements from this episode (15)

Disclosure
DOJ tasked prosecutor Katie Haun with shutting down Bitcoin in 2012
“The first time I ever heard the word Bitcoin was back in 2012 when I was a federal prosecutor at the US Department of Justice. And I heard the word Bitcoin because I was asked to prepare an investigation and a case against it and to help shut it down.”
Katie Haun Dec 15, 2018 ▶ 0:32
Opinion
Katie Haun: Shutting down Bitcoin is like shutting down the internet
“This was one of the early misconceptions out there about cryptocurrency, that you could shut something down like Bitcoin. That would be like saying, let's go shut down cash or the internet. Not only not possible, but also not desirable.”
Katie Haun Dec 15, 2018 ▶ 0:52
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Katie Haun: Cryptocurrency's complete anonymity is a myth
“Myths like cryptocurrency is just completely anonymous, so really it's only useful for criminals and money launderers. Now, how do I know that's just a myth? Well, I spent over a decade as a federal prosecutor, and during that time, I put murderers, organized …”
Katie Haun Dec 15, 2018 ▶ 1:43
Assertion Partly supported
Undercover agent chatted daily with Silk Road founder for years
“Nob and DPR became online confidants, and they chatted online daily by encrypted messaging applications for years.”
Katie Haun Dec 15, 2018 ▶ 4:43
Assertion Partly supported
Informant sold government investigation data to Silk Road founder for Bitcoin
“French Maid was selling DPR information into the government's investigation for hundreds of thousands of dollars of Bitcoin.”
Katie Haun Dec 15, 2018 ▶ 5:54
Assertion Supported
21,000 Bitcoin disappeared overnight from Silk Road vendor accounts in 2013
“Overnight, 21,000 Bitcoin, worth today about a hundred and fifty million dollars, went missing from Silk Road vendor accounts overnight.”
Katie Haun Dec 15, 2018 ▶ 6:13
Assertion Supported
Silk Road founder paid $80,000 to order hit on site administrator
“And DPR paid Nob 80,000 dollars to torture and kill Curtis Green.”
Katie Haun Dec 15, 2018 ▶ 7:16
Assertion Supported
Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht turned down a plea deal
“What's little known is that he turned down a plea deal, and he went to trial, and he was sentenced by a judge to life in prison.”
Katie Haun Dec 15, 2018 ▶ 9:40
Assertion Partly supported
Secret Service agent Sean Bridges stole 21,000 Bitcoin from Silk Road
“Sean Bridges had also been at that proffer session where Curtis had turned over his password and computer and credentials, and that night, Sean Bridges went home using Curtis Green's computer, username, credentials, and password, and drained Silk Road accounts…”
Katie Haun Dec 15, 2018 ▶ 15:04
What-if
Blockchain transparency caught corrupt federal agents who stole Silk Road Bitcoin
“And I'm here to tell you that without it, we never would have caught these guys. In fact, without the blockchain, they would have still been sitting in the federal government today instead of in the federal penitentiary.”
Katie Haun Dec 15, 2018 ▶ 17:13
Assertion Supported
Silk Road corruption was the US government's first blockchain fraud case
“Now, aside from its salacious facts, that case was the first example of the US government using blockchain technology to uncover fraud and corruption.”
Katie Haun Dec 15, 2018 ▶ 17:27
Assertion Supported
Robert Mueller traced Bitcoin payments to Russian GRU operatives
“In fact, even special counsel Robert Mueller traced Bitcoin payments to Russian GRU operatives in the election interference case.”
Katie Haun Dec 15, 2018 ▶ 17:46
Assertion Supported
Blockchain forensics traced $500 million Mt. Gox hack to BTC-e
“We were able to go back to the blockchain and trace those payments that had resulted from the five hundred million dollar Mt. Gox hack straight back to BTCE, and one guy named Alexander Vinnick, who it turns out profited with hundreds of millions of dollars.”
Katie Haun Dec 15, 2018 ▶ 18:54
Assertion Partly supported
Darknet Bitcoin transactions dropped from 30% in 2012 to under 1%
“In 2012, 30% of Bitcoin transaction value was associated with dark net markets like Alphabay or Silk Road, but by 2018, that number is down to less than one percent.”
Katie Haun Dec 15, 2018 ▶ 19:55
Insight
Katie Haun: Cryptocurrency networks are currently in their dial-up era
“There are all these issues that we hear about it, and the important thing to understand here is that we are still in the dial-up days of cryptocurrency and crypto networks.”
Katie Haun Dec 15, 2018 ▶ 24:10
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