Jan 2, 2019 · 21m · a16z
a16z Podcast | Selling Tech to Everyone -- Changes Everything
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In this episode of the a16z podcast, Benedict Evans and Stephen Sinowski examine how the massive global scale of mobile technology represents a fundamental platform shift that reshapes software development, business models, and entire physical industries.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. How this is scored →
The host as informed peer 4.2 Guest teaching 4.0 Guest disagreement 1.0 The host pushing back 1.3
speaking balance: gold is the host, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 14:03 Friendly reframe of Lyft commute direction
In a very low-conflict episode, the slight friction occurs when Steven asserts that taking Lyft to suburban jobs seems absurd, prompting Benedict to interject with the counter-example of city residents commuting outward.
Hardest push from the host ▶ 14:03 Counter-example on urban-suburban transitBenedict directly refines Steven's framing of urbanization by noting that ride-sharing enables urban dwellers to travel outward to suburban workplaces.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 10:33 DEC Queen Mary vs. modern developer conferencesSteven provides vivid firsthand industry history by contrasting Digital Equipment Corporation's final conference aboard the Queen Mary with modern young developers filling Moscone Center to build mobile-native applications.
The host holds their own ▶ 17:10 Deconstructing Apple's ecosystem partnership playbookBenedict demonstrates deep strategic expertise by articulating Apple's consistent pattern of controlling high-value endpoints while leaving underlying infrastructure and operations to incumbents.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | The host as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | The host pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Generational Platform Shifts and the Innovator's Dilemma | 3 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Benedict sets up the thesis of generational computing shifts from mainframes to mobile. Steven expands by applying the innovator's dilemma to personal developer mindsets and recounting historical reactions to early PCs and Macs. | |
| Adapting Workflows and Rethinking Enterprise Business Models | 4 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Benedict uses historical analogies like Walmart and trucking to demonstrate how new tools reshape workflows rather than just fitting old ones. Steven agrees, emphasizing that currently ubiquitous tools were once disruptive. | |
| Global Mobile Scale and the Shift in Developer Innovation | 4 | 5 | 1 | 1 | Benedict highlights the scale of 4 billion smartphones and the multiplier effect on economic value. Steven illustrates the developer migration from old computing to mobile by contrasting DEC's last conference on the Queen Mary with youth-led developer events. | |
| Platform Maturity, Urbanization, and the Evolution of Payments | 5 | 4 | 2 | 3 | The conversation covers tech reaching its apex before disappearing and the shift toward urbanization. Benedict offers a polite pushback when Steven discusses commuting patterns, clarifying that reverse commuting from city homes to suburban jobs is also prominent. | |
| Apple's Ecosystem Strategy and Software Digitizing Physical Tokens | 5 | 4 | 1 | 2 | Benedict delivers an expert breakdown of Apple's partner playbook across iTunes, mobile operators, and Apple Pay. Steven adds perspective on software digitizing physical objects like keys, wallets, and badges. | |
| Ubiquitous Computing and the Full-Stack Software Transformation | 4 | 4 | 0 | 0 | Benedict presents the idea that software is becoming invisible as it transforms non-tech sectors like transport and real estate. Steven concludes by explaining how full-stack software is replacing traditional corporate financial engineering. |
Statements from this episode (13)
Evans predicts up to 90% of the global population will own smartphones
“Mobile and therefore smartphones is a product that 70, 80, 90% of people on earth are going to have”
Sinofsky says tech builders struggle to perceive macro platform shifts
“The closer you are to, like, actually helping make the change, in a weird way, it's almost harder for you as an individual to see the changes, because you're mired in all the details.”
Evans notes experts always dismiss new computing platforms as toys
“And at every change, the people who were profoundly comfortable and know absolutely how to do everything that they wanted to do with the previous generation look at this and say, well, this is a toy.”
Evans says new technologies are initially forced into old workflows
“What first of all happens is that the new thing has to fit the existing way of doing it. And you say you torture it and kind of cripple it and you make it fit what you did before. And then over time, people come in and this is where the kind of the transformat…”
Evans argues high-volume text entry is a narrow fraction of global work
“The first is to say, well, I enter high volumes of text, or I do this precision work with a detail work with a mouse. You can't do that on a smartphone or a keyboard, therefore it's useless. And the answer is, yes, but most people don't actually do that. That'…”
Evans predicts one billion people will first experience the internet via smartphones
“There's going to be a billion people whose first experience of the internet, or the first experience of owning a device that can use the internet, is going to be a smartphone.”
Evans predicts future generations will never perceive individual display pixels
“My son will probably never see a pixel, except, except kind of ironically.”
Sinofsky predicts cars sold in 2019 are the last requiring human drivers
“If you, I look at the automobiles today, and I think that the ones that are being sold today are the very last cars that are going to basically require a driver.”
Evans notes Apple provides payment endpoints rather than competing with banks
“On the one hand, they look like a great partner, because they've not gone and built their own payment platform, they're not trying to compete with Visa or Master They're not trying to compete with Chase or Wells Fargo or Lloyd's or, you know, any of the retail…”
Evans says software-provisioned mobile cards reshape financial services distribution
“If I've got a payment card on my phone in software that can be provisioned in software immediately, that changes almost everything about the kind of the whole go to market of how you do financial services. And yes, I can put my Chase card or my Amex card into …”
Sinofsky predicts smartphones will replace physical keys, wallets, and ID badges
“I think the next generation of pictures are going to have your car keys. They're going to have your house keys. They're going to have your wallet. They're going to have your ID for badge.”
Evans argues Uber and Airbnb are not fundamentally tech companies
“And the interesting thing that is starting to happen with computing and with software now is it's pushing out of the technology industry. And so when you have, you know, when you have mobile everywhere, when you have payments being pulled in, when you look at …”