Jan 2, 2019 · 28m · a16z

a16z Podcast | What's at the Core of the Latest Apple Announcement?

Steven Sinofsky · 15m spoken Benedict Evans · 9m spoken Sonal Chokshi · 31s spoken
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In this a16z podcast, technology analysts Steven Sinofsky and Benedict Evans analyze Apple's 2018 keynote announcement, shedding light on the company's long-term strategic approach to mature product cycles, custom silicon engineering, digital health expansion, and global supply chain execution.

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The host as informed peer 2.5 Guest teaching 3.1 Guest disagreement 1.6 The host pushing back 1.3
05100:0010:0020:000:36–4:06 · The host as informed peer 2/10 The Smartphone S-Curve and Mastering Incremental Innovation Sinofsky politely reframes Evans's characterization of late S-curve improvements as boring, explaining that peak execution at Apple's scale is insanely difficult and misunderstood by Wall Street.4:06–7:32 · The host as informed peer 2/10 iPhone Portfolio Optimization and SKU Complexity Strategy Sinofsky and Evans analyze Apple's multi-SKU strategy, with Sinofsky sharing enterprise experience on how large-scale consumer product lines require managed complexity that remains hidden from shoppers.7:32–11:22 · The host as informed peer 2/10 Display Technology Segmentation and Competitive Pressure on Android The speakers discuss OLED vs. LCD display segmentation and how Apple's mid-tier pricing creates a squeeze for rival Android flagship pricing.11:22–14:31 · The host as informed peer 3/10 A12 Bionic Chip Architecture and Moore's Law Evans provides a striking historical context on Moore's Law by contrasting the A12 chip's transistor count with Pixar's original Toy Story render farm.14:31–18:41 · The host as informed peer 3/10 Computational Photography and Hardware-Software Integration Evans offers a mildly pushback-oriented reframe on Apple's privacy stance, noting it is easier to champion privacy when you do not operate an ad-based business model.18:41–23:42 · The host as informed peer 3/10 Long-Term Building Blocks, AR Glasses, and Functional Organization Evans uses a historical military analogy comparing Apple's functional org architecture and modular capability building to Napoleon's army corps system.23:42–26:01 · The host as informed peer 2/10 Health Tech Accessibility and Global Market Democratization Sinofsky pushes back against critics who dismiss expensive Apple Watch health features, arguing that high-end consumer hardware drives industry-wide democratization.26:01–28:18 · The host as informed peer 3/10 Unprecedented Scale, Wall Street Valuation, and Strategic Takeaways Evans highlights the inherent flaw in traditional financial analyst DCF models that fail to value unannounced, category-defining future products.0:36–4:06 · Guest teaching 3/10 The Smartphone S-Curve and Mastering Incremental Innovation Sinofsky politely reframes Evans's characterization of late S-curve improvements as boring, explaining that peak execution at Apple's scale is insanely difficult and misunderstood by Wall Street.4:06–7:32 · Guest teaching 3/10 iPhone Portfolio Optimization and SKU Complexity Strategy Sinofsky and Evans analyze Apple's multi-SKU strategy, with Sinofsky sharing enterprise experience on how large-scale consumer product lines require managed complexity that remains hidden from shoppers.7:32–11:22 · Guest teaching 2/10 Display Technology Segmentation and Competitive Pressure on Android The speakers discuss OLED vs. LCD display segmentation and how Apple's mid-tier pricing creates a squeeze for rival Android flagship pricing.11:22–14:31 · Guest teaching 4/10 A12 Bionic Chip Architecture and Moore's Law Evans provides a striking historical context on Moore's Law by contrasting the A12 chip's transistor count with Pixar's original Toy Story render farm.14:31–18:41 · Guest teaching 3/10 Computational Photography and Hardware-Software Integration Evans offers a mildly pushback-oriented reframe on Apple's privacy stance, noting it is easier to champion privacy when you do not operate an ad-based business model.18:41–23:42 · Guest teaching 4/10 Long-Term Building Blocks, AR Glasses, and Functional Organization Evans uses a historical military analogy comparing Apple's functional org architecture and modular capability building to Napoleon's army corps system.23:42–26:01 · Guest teaching 3/10 Health Tech Accessibility and Global Market Democratization Sinofsky pushes back against critics who dismiss expensive Apple Watch health features, arguing that high-end consumer hardware drives industry-wide democratization.26:01–28:18 · Guest teaching 3/10 Unprecedented Scale, Wall Street Valuation, and Strategic Takeaways Evans highlights the inherent flaw in traditional financial analyst DCF models that fail to value unannounced, category-defining future products.0:36–4:06 · Guest disagreement 2/10 The Smartphone S-Curve and Mastering Incremental Innovation Sinofsky politely reframes Evans's characterization of late S-curve improvements as boring, explaining that peak execution at Apple's scale is insanely difficult and misunderstood by Wall Street.4:06–7:32 · Guest disagreement 1/10 iPhone Portfolio Optimization and SKU Complexity Strategy Sinofsky and Evans analyze Apple's multi-SKU strategy, with Sinofsky sharing enterprise experience on how large-scale consumer product lines require managed complexity that remains hidden from shoppers.7:32–11:22 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Display Technology Segmentation and Competitive Pressure on Android The speakers discuss OLED vs. LCD display segmentation and how Apple's mid-tier pricing creates a squeeze for rival Android flagship pricing.11:22–14:31 · Guest disagreement 1/10 A12 Bionic Chip Architecture and Moore's Law Evans provides a striking historical context on Moore's Law by contrasting the A12 chip's transistor count with Pixar's original Toy Story render farm.14:31–18:41 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Computational Photography and Hardware-Software Integration Evans offers a mildly pushback-oriented reframe on Apple's privacy stance, noting it is easier to champion privacy when you do not operate an ad-based business model.18:41–23:42 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Long-Term Building Blocks, AR Glasses, and Functional Organization Evans uses a historical military analogy comparing Apple's functional org architecture and modular capability building to Napoleon's army corps system.23:42–26:01 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Health Tech Accessibility and Global Market Democratization Sinofsky pushes back against critics who dismiss expensive Apple Watch health features, arguing that high-end consumer hardware drives industry-wide democratization.26:01–28:18 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Unprecedented Scale, Wall Street Valuation, and Strategic Takeaways Evans highlights the inherent flaw in traditional financial analyst DCF models that fail to value unannounced, category-defining future products.0:36–4:06 · The host pushing back 1/10 The Smartphone S-Curve and Mastering Incremental Innovation Sinofsky politely reframes Evans's characterization of late S-curve improvements as boring, explaining that peak execution at Apple's scale is insanely difficult and misunderstood by Wall Street.4:06–7:32 · The host pushing back 1/10 iPhone Portfolio Optimization and SKU Complexity Strategy Sinofsky and Evans analyze Apple's multi-SKU strategy, with Sinofsky sharing enterprise experience on how large-scale consumer product lines require managed complexity that remains hidden from shoppers.7:32–11:22 · The host pushing back 1/10 Display Technology Segmentation and Competitive Pressure on Android The speakers discuss OLED vs. LCD display segmentation and how Apple's mid-tier pricing creates a squeeze for rival Android flagship pricing.11:22–14:31 · The host pushing back 1/10 A12 Bionic Chip Architecture and Moore's Law Evans provides a striking historical context on Moore's Law by contrasting the A12 chip's transistor count with Pixar's original Toy Story render farm.14:31–18:41 · The host pushing back 2/10 Computational Photography and Hardware-Software Integration Evans offers a mildly pushback-oriented reframe on Apple's privacy stance, noting it is easier to champion privacy when you do not operate an ad-based business model.18:41–23:42 · The host pushing back 1/10 Long-Term Building Blocks, AR Glasses, and Functional Organization Evans uses a historical military analogy comparing Apple's functional org architecture and modular capability building to Napoleon's army corps system.23:42–26:01 · The host pushing back 2/10 Health Tech Accessibility and Global Market Democratization Sinofsky pushes back against critics who dismiss expensive Apple Watch health features, arguing that high-end consumer hardware drives industry-wide democratization.26:01–28:18 · The host pushing back 1/10 Unprecedented Scale, Wall Street Valuation, and Strategic Takeaways Evans highlights the inherent flaw in traditional financial analyst DCF models that fail to value unannounced, category-defining future products.

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 23:50 Pushing back on elite price criticism

Sinofsky directly challenges the cynical narrative that $500 watch health monitoring is useless for public health by detailing how innovation trickles down.

Hardest push from the host ▶ 18:05 Ad business context on privacy

Evans introduces a realistic counter-perspective to Apple's lofty privacy claims by pointing out that their business model does not rely on ad monetization.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 13:38 Pixar render farm benchmark

Evans contextualizes computing progress by demonstrating how an entire 1990s movie studio render farm fits onto a single modern smartphone chip.

The host holds their own ▶ 21:53 Napoleonic strategy in tech org design

Evans illustrates deep domain expertise in tech strategy by drawing a historical parallel between functional organizational design and Napoleonic warfare.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicThe host as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementThe host pushing backWhy
The Smartphone S-Curve and Mastering Incremental Innovation 2321 Sinofsky politely reframes Evans's characterization of late S-curve improvements as boring, explaining that peak execution at Apple's scale is insanely difficult and misunderstood by Wall Street.
iPhone Portfolio Optimization and SKU Complexity Strategy 2311 Sinofsky and Evans analyze Apple's multi-SKU strategy, with Sinofsky sharing enterprise experience on how large-scale consumer product lines require managed complexity that remains hidden from shoppers.
Display Technology Segmentation and Competitive Pressure on Android 2221 The speakers discuss OLED vs. LCD display segmentation and how Apple's mid-tier pricing creates a squeeze for rival Android flagship pricing.
A12 Bionic Chip Architecture and Moore's Law 3411 Evans provides a striking historical context on Moore's Law by contrasting the A12 chip's transistor count with Pixar's original Toy Story render farm.
Computational Photography and Hardware-Software Integration 3322 Evans offers a mildly pushback-oriented reframe on Apple's privacy stance, noting it is easier to champion privacy when you do not operate an ad-based business model.
Long-Term Building Blocks, AR Glasses, and Functional Organization 3411 Evans uses a historical military analogy comparing Apple's functional org architecture and modular capability building to Napoleon's army corps system.
Health Tech Accessibility and Global Market Democratization 2322 Sinofsky pushes back against critics who dismiss expensive Apple Watch health features, arguing that high-end consumer hardware drives industry-wide democratization.
Unprecedented Scale, Wall Street Valuation, and Strategic Takeaways 3321 Evans highlights the inherent flaw in traditional financial analyst DCF models that fail to value unannounced, category-defining future products.

Statements from this episode (18)

Insight
Evans: Smartphones have reached the upper slope of the S-curve
“Well, so the way I kind of think about this is we're now kind of on the upper slopes of the S-curve for smartphones. There was a period when, like, the first smartphones were amazing, and then there's a period of very, very rapid improvement, the screens get b…”
Benedict Evans Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 1:06
Opinion
Sinofsky: Apple handles late-stage S-curve development better than any company ever
“And what Apple is doing is, like, they are at absolute peak execution of what they're doing. At the scale they're doing it, at the quality that they're doing it, and at the changes, each iteration that, that they're doing. And what's fascinating, like, I don't…”
Steven Sinofsky Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 2:32
Assertion Partly supported
Evans: Apple's 2018 iPhone lineup expands to roughly 50 global SKUs
“They've got six colors and multiple memory sizes, so you kind of count up all the SKUs they're going to have, plus the SKUs for different regions, plus the multiple SIM thing for China. They're going to have like 50 SKUs as opposed to one SKU.”
Benedict Evans Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 5:09
Insight
Sinofsky: Apple maximizes revenue by shielding consumers from SKU complexity
“They do, this is part of their execution is to have this complexity, maximize their revenue from it, but not surface it to the average consumer who turns out to not really care.”
Steven Sinofsky Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 6:50
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Sinofsky: Android vendors will release higher-priced lower-end phones to counter Apple
“So if you actually do see them side by side, you'll, you'll see the value, which then, back to the Android thing, it's going to force them, like, I suspect we'll start to see higher priced lower end phones, like, being dug out of the parts bins from the Androi…”
Steven Sinofsky Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 8:41
Assertion Partly supported
Evans: Apple controls 66% to 75% of high-end smartphone market
“And so you've got this sort of mix where Apple has got As it might be two thirds to three quarters of the high end space.”
Benedict Evans Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 9:32
Insight
Sinofsky: Maturing S-curve companies change executives to extract revenue from existing users
“And, the most interesting thing as you mature on the S-curve is that generally what happens is companies go through massive turmoil, And they change their executive staff, and they bring in people who are willing to figure out how to charge your existing custo…”
Steven Sinofsky Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 10:18
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Sinofsky: Competitor chips will lag iPhone launch and lack Android software optimization
“Those are going to ship and they have two problems. They're going to, Ship after the iPhone, which is going to be available in, like, 10 days or whatever, and they're going to be on Android phones that have no Android optimized for anything that, that they do,…”
Steven Sinofsky Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 12:56
Opinion
Sinofsky: Apple is currently the leading semiconductor chip maker
“Apple is, like, the leading chip maker right now.”
Steven Sinofsky Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 13:19
Assertion Partly supported
Evans: Toy Story render farm had one-third the transistors of an iPhone
“The entire Pixar Rennell farm to make Toy Story, which doesn't look that high res today, but it's still amazing. But it was as it might be a third of one new iPhone.”
Benedict Evans Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 14:05
Insight
Evans: Smartphone camera quality depends on full computational silicon stack
“It's no longer actually the camera module. It's everything. It's the GPU and the CPU and the machine learning software and everything else that's being done in.”
Benedict Evans Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 15:53
Opinion
Evans: Consumers trust Apple with health data over Google or Facebook
“That kind of piece of strategic positioning has worked out very well for them because you would trust it with this kind of information where you might not trust a product from Google or from Facebook.”
Benedict Evans Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 18:30
Insight
Evans: Apple strategy relies on building blocks, not minimum viable products
“I think Apple doesn't do minimum viable products. What they do is they create building blocks.”
Benedict Evans Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 20:42
Insight
Sinofsky: Big tech companies stumble when using MBA-led P&L silos
“I feel like that's always where big companies fall down, is they think they need an MBA running a P&L for something”
Steven Sinofsky Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 22:49
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Sinofsky: Apple Watch will inspire smaller dedicated health-monitoring wearables industrywide
“But all of a sudden now, there's gonna be a whole industry that's like, wow, that, That giant thing like the size of a cereal box that monitored your heart rate might not be the best way to solve this problem. And it will benefit from the technology, but also …”
Steven Sinofsky Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 24:17
Assertion Contradicted
Evans: Unsubsidized Android smartphones cost as little as $30 in rural Uganda
“But you can get an Android phone for 30 dollars today. Not 30 dollars with subsidy and contract. 30 dollars cash in a market in rural Uganda. You can buy an Android phone for that.”
Benedict Evans Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 24:57
Assertion Partly supported
Evans: 3.5 billion people worldwide own a smartphone as of 2018
“You can get a cheap Android phone for well under 50 dollars now, and so that technology is just, which is why there's now three and a half billion people on earth who have a smartphone, and so the technology just gets stuff used.”
Benedict Evans Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 25:15
Insight
Sinofsky: Go-to-market and pricing require as much innovation as code
“The big lesson I do think that people should definitely walk away from as founders is to again, remember that it's not just the shiny product, but boy, managing distribution, managing pricing, understanding how you bring things to market and do so is, is, is m…”
Steven Sinofsky Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 27:58
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