Nov 28, 2023 · 32m · a16z
Welding Yourself to Early Customers with Marqeta's Jason Gardner
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In this episode of 'My First 16,' Andreessen Horowitz investor Seema Amble interviews Marqeta founder Jason Gardner, who shares how the payment platform pivoted to B2B infrastructure, invented Just-In-Time Funding, and became deeply 'welded' to early enterprise customers.
How this conversation actually went
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The host as informed peer 2.0 Guest teaching 5.4 Guest disagreement 0.3 The host pushing back 0.3
speaking balance: gold is the host, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 29:23 Blunt reality check for founders
Jason playfully rejects founder ego by stating 'you are not special' and asserting that every problem faced has already been solved by thousands before.
Hardest push from the host ▶ 21:30 Pressing on early unit economics vs adoptionSeema pushes Jason on whether he analyzed unit economics early on or if he simply prioritized getting cards into users' hands without revenue logic.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 10:45 JIT authorization solves delivery fraudJason educates Seema on how Marqeta invented Just-In-Time authorization using location APIs to drop delivery platform fraud to zero.
The host holds their own ▶ 13:13 Synthesizing FinTech infrastructure valueSeema demonstrates strong industry expertise by mapping how infrastructure providers that drive core business growth unlock sticky PMF.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | The host as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | The host pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Marqeta's Origin Story and Initial MVP | 1 | 5 | 1 | 0 | Seema prompts Jason to recap Marqeta's founding story and initial MVP. Jason explains the early Groupon paper coupon problem and how he had to build an issuing processing system from scratch. Seema purely listens and facilitates without challenging. | |
| Initial Customers and the Facebook Card Pivot | 1 | 5 | 0 | 0 | Seema asks about finding initial test customers across Marqeta's pivots. Jason details how direct-to-consumer failed before Facebook reached out to build the Facebook Card, pivoting them into pure B2B payments infrastructure. Seema allows Jason to control the narrative completely. | |
| Finding Product-Market Fit with Food Delivery Platforms | 3 | 6 | 0 | 1 | Seema asks how Marqeta targeted food delivery platforms and whether they turned prospective clients away. Jason educates her on Just-In-Time (JIT) authorization that eliminated Postmates driver fraud, and how founder-led sales acquired DoorDash and Uber Eats. Seema offers good contextual commentary on PMF in FinTech. | |
| Becoming 'Welded' to Early Customers | 2 | 5 | 0 | 0 | Seema asks Jason to elaborate on what being 'welded' to a customer means in practice beyond fast response times. Jason explains using customer cards daily and acting like an internal business partner rather than a transactional vendor. | |
| Evolving Pricing Strategy and Founder-Led Sales | 3 | 6 | 0 | 1 | Seema asks how pricing was structured early on and whether unit economics were prioritized over product adoption. Jason recounts early bank skepticism towards delivery models like Instacart and explains delaying revenue monetization until PMF was solid. Seema synthesizes how rev-share models align FinTech incentives. | |
| Expanding Verticals: Buy Now Pay Later and Cash App | 3 | 5 | 0 | 0 | Seema inquires about transitioning from food delivery to subsequent verticals. Jason explains discovering Buy Now Pay Later through Klarna in Europe and later powering Cash App card issuing. | |
| Key Advice for Early-Stage Founders | 1 | 6 | 1 | 0 | Seema asks for Jason's core advice for early-stage founders. Jason delivers four blunt takeaways starting with 'you're not special,' focusing heavily on PMF and capital discipline while Seema listens. |
Statements from this episode (14)
Amble: Early B2B fintech founders most frequently ask about customer acquisition
“The number one question I get asked by early B to B FinTech founders is, how do I acquire my first set of customers, as well as, how do I get my customers to trust me with their money?”
Gardner: Marqeta raised $5.2M Series A at $10.5M pre valuation in 2011
“We closed our Series A on June second of 20 11, which was co-led by Greylock Israel and Grand Adventures. We had raised, I believe, 5.2 million dollars was our Series A on a 10 and a half million pre.”
Gardner: Marqeta's JIT technology reduced Postmates card fraud to near zero
“So we created a technology called JIT or just in time, which allows them to essentially authorize their own transactions. So we send the transaction to them, you know, they check is the driver on shift or in the right location using Google's map API using lat …”
Gardner: Marqeta doubled annual revenue for four to six consecutive years
“We doubled revenue every year since. Up until I think it was like four or five, six years in a row.”
Gardner: Instacart, DoorDash, and Uber remain active Marqeta enterprise customers
“Instacart and DoorDash are still our customers today. Uber Eats and Uber still our customers.”
Gardner: B2B tech providers must become 'welded' to customer core operations
“And I always felt like if we're going to be a really good technology provider, we need to become virtually welded to our customers. We're so tightly intertwined with them. Like we become like an appendage or an organ. Like we need to be supporting their busine…”
Gardner: Rapid communication response times build critical trust for enterprise infrastructure providers
“When someone calls, pick up the phone, someone texts, return the text. When someone emails, email them and do it as soon as you possibly can. But if they text you like five minutes to an hour respond. And I've always found when you're working in a business lik…”
Gardner: Early focus on monetization would have yielded terrible decisions
“I feel like if we decided in the very early days, like let's just build a product to go make money, we would have made terrible, terrible decisions.”
Gardner: Early sales cannot be delegated to non-founder employees
“In the early days, you really can't hand that off to an employee. They don't have the incentive like you have when you're building the business.”
Gardner: Marqeta is the largest global card technology provider for BNPL
“And we are now the, you know, the, probably the largest provider Car technology solutions to buy now, pay later companies around the world.”
Gardner: Cash App card exceeded expectations to become a top debit program
“And we thought like, ah, you know, I don't know if this is going to be a big product or not. And they didn't even think at the time it was going to be a big product. And then obviously that completely blew away all of our predictions in regards to how Cash App…”
Gardner: Startup founders' challenges are never unique
“You're not special. Like, whatever you're dealing with is not unique. There has been thousands of other entrepreneurs of both technology companies and small businesses that have run into exactly what you've run into.”
Gardner: Marqeta prematurely scaled headcount based on a strategy of hope
“There were times that we like scaled up in areas that we didn't really need at the time. We were You know, it was a strategy of hope. We hope that this becomes something that you really need because you can kind of see it. And we miss made poor investment deci…”