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Opinion
Sivulka: Retrieval Augmented Generation (RAG) does not work at all
“That's a bit of a plot twist over here. We, I actually don't think RAG works at all.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 21:26 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Sivulka: Great founders have messed up childhoods, are gay, or adopted
“You can bucket great founders into three backgrounds. The most common is that you have kind of a messed up childhood. The second most common would be, ah, you're gay, and the third most common would be you were adopted. Look at like a list of all-time greats. …”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 0:00 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Sivulka: ChatGPT is a poor product that acts like a calculator
“I don't even think ChatGPT is a really good product. It's like a calculator. It's got the technology in there encapsulated in a very simple form. But it's not a product that, like in Excel, that lets you just build whatever you'd like with it.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 10:53 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Sivulka: 90% of enterprise AI is vapor and usage stats are fake
“I think, like, 90% of enterprise AI right now is almost like this vapor where, hey, we swear it works, like, look at this amazing demo where we ask, What does the CEO say about the investment? And the minute that they actually go to, you know, try to use it in…”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 24:18 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Sivulka: Satya Nadella is wrong about business apps collapsing into agents
“I actually don't agree with that at all. I think he's completely wrong. I think it depends on how you define a business app. But I actually think that if the new business apps are platforms, you'll, you'll actually start to see those platforms really take hold…”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 26:50 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Sivulka: Agentic AI will generate over 50% of global GDP within decades
“I ultimately, genuinely believe that more than 50% of the GDP will be contributed by what you can call agentic applications in the next few decades, yeah. I actually think it'll happen faster than the next few decades.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 29:57 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Sivulka: Klarna's claims of AI-driven layoffs are investor BS
“You know, there's all these stories, and, you know, you have, like, Klarna that's positioning for investors that they're firing half their staff, and no one really wants, and I think. I think it's BS, yeah.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 34:42 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Open · timeframe Jan 2030
Sivulka: Fine-tuned models will never catch up to inference scaling
“And so you saw the idea of, ah, of post training or kind of like this refined, verticalized model creation, ah, just always would lose to scaling laws. And maybe we're at the end of scaling laws at training, but I actually think, you know, Hebbia and now OpenA…”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 39:23 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Sivulka: xAI could overtake OpenAI and Anthropic in valuation within two years
“I think XAI is the most undervalued company, and a really spicy take. I actually think XAI might overtake OpenAI and Anthropic in value over the next, you know, 12 to 24 months.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 45:44 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Sivulka: All AI companies and S&P 500 stocks are massively undervalued
“I genuinely believe all AI companies and the S&P 500 are all undervalued, which is a very hot take. But again, if we're about to create a hundred trillion dollars of value, I think this is a real tangible Technological shift. It's a massive unlock on the order…”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 47:19 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Sivulka: Salesforce will survive AI disruption due to human switching costs
“I think that ultimately I don't think they are. I think that I think that Salesforce Like, has built, again, like, a very, very, very sticky network effect with people, and people are the shifting function at the end of the day. It's not a technology problem. …”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 1:04:10 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Sivulka: Founders can brute-force any business to $100M ARR
“Like, you can bring a lemonade stand to a hundred million dollars in ARR. Like, there's nothing that's actually stopped. You can brute force your way as a founder. You screw product market. You can literally brute force anything in the world.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 9:05 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Sivulka: 90% of enterprise AI queries require computation beyond RAG search
“And so all of these questions, it was actually almost 90% of the questions that people were asking these systems weren't answerable by search through the documents. But rather they had to be work done on top of the documents and then answered.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 23:52 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Sivulka: AI compute will create $100T in market value within 60 years
“If there was a hundred trillion dollars of value that was created in the stock market from the introduction of the computer, or the fundamental unit of compute, I actually think a hundred trillion dollars of value will be created in the next 60 years from the …”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 29:12 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Sivulka: AI will increase financial firms' AUM and drive employment
“I think that it will change the way that people do work, but I genuinely believe that, ah, it'll actually increase the AUM of the firms that use it. I think it will actually drive more employment.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 33:43 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Partly supported
Sivulka: GPT-4 beat BloombergGPT at every financial task
“So then GPT-IV was released, I think, like a few weeks later. I don't know exactly any of the right timeline, but it just destroyed Bloomberg GPT at every single finance task.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 39:13 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Sivulka: AI model layer will commoditize as value accrues to applications and hardware
“I, you know, I think that ultimately the model layer, and I think this is not a hot take anymore. I've been saying it for a few years, but I think it will become commoditized. I think that a lot of value will accrue at the hardware layer especially And we coul…”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 43:08 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Sivulka: Switching cloud providers costs startups $10M-$20M, unlike AI models
“I can switch models readily. Like, I think there's even entire businesses now There will be an entire industry of being able to switch models from OpenAI to Anthropic when OpenAI goes down, but just to switch clouds is like, you know, for any, like, substantia…”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 45:03 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Sivulka: Capable AI agents turn user interface into a management problem
“The better agents are, the more work that they do, the more important it will be that they are easily understood by humans. The idea would be, okay, let's say we have a bunch of employees, 10,000 employees, or 10,000 AI agents drop at a company. They're all ex…”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 50:35 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Held up
Sivulka: AI shift from training to inference will destabilize Nvidia's dominance
“The shift away from training to inference as a fundamental, like, almost macro shift in how people deploy AI. I actually think that will destabilize slightly the dominance of NVIDIA chips.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 53:40 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Sivulka: CTOs know the least about business workflows for AI
“The CTO or the IT folks are actually the people that know the least about the business. The people that, that actually understand how to use AI in a business context are those that are closest to the business.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 55:31 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Sivulka: Consumption pricing disincentivizes AI adoption by charging per interaction
“And I think that, ah, when you charge for consumption or API pricing, you're disincentivizing the change. You're saying, ok, well I'm gonna penalize you in a monetary way for every time you use an AI application.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 57:30 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Sivulka would not sell Hebbia for $2 billion
“Would I sell for, no, no, I would not.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 58:27 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Sivulka: US government possesses non-traditional UFO propulsion technology
“I believe that UFOs are real. I think a little bit more on the nose right now, but I actually believe there's fundamentally different propulsion technology and that I think the US government has access to it.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 59:21 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Sivulka: RPA is simple computation, not modern AI
“I think that I actually am not a big believer in RPA. I think RPA is a, is almost not an AI application in the new sense of AI. It's like AI in the old 10 years ago sense of AI where RPA, RPA is effectively, like, very simple computation.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 25:12 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Sivulka: Finance adopts technology faster than any industry when value is proven
“And so finance is the slowest moving, most lethargic, you know, ah, Leviath. It's the worst possible customer base to go after. Unless you're providing outsized alpha or real value. In which case, the minute that there's something real, Finance moves faster th…”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 31:20 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Sivulka: Loud corporate PR usually signals internal company panic
“When you're saying something and screaming it from the rooftops, that almost always means that inter, and Internally, you're freaking out about something, and so you know, I look at that really loud behavior, and I think that the behavior itself really negates…”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 35:07 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Contradicted
Sivulka: AI inference costs dropped 7 orders of magnitude in 4 years
“I think that since Hebbia started, the cost of inference over a fixed number of parameters has decreased by, like, seven orders of magnitude in four years.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 42:21 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Sivulka: Current AI chatbots deliver mostly superficial value
“Right now we have these chatbots or these, you know, surface level search engines that, that give you facetious, you know, surface level value. You know, it'll help your kid cheat on their homework, but to drive to whether or not something's a good investment …”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 49:21 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Sivulka: Chat is not the long-term primary interface for AI
“Ultimately, do not think so. I think that chat was always a useful feature. It's an, it's a useful interface, but again, it's like a single cell in Excel. It's like asking if the TI-eighty-four was the right interface for computers, or the terminal was the rig…”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 49:36 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Sivulka: DOGE will be Elon Musk's greatest challenge
“I think it will be his greatest challenge. I think there's a lot of self-reinforcing Self-protecting mechanisms in the largest organization in the world, which is kind of the U.S. Government by spend, by head, you know, it's just this massive, unruly organizat…”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 51:18 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Sivulka: The strongest moats are people and networks, not technology
“I think that the best moats aren't technological moats. They're not data moats. They're actually people moats. People and networks have the most friction to change.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 53:08 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Sivulka: Deep religious faith has been a major driver of founder success
“One thing that I always hid was the fact that I'm deeply religious in an industry that's like very atheistic or agnostic, it was like something that I, that was very personal to me and I think it's been massively contributing to.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 59:44 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Sivulka: Brainstorming sessions do not produce genuinely new ideas
“Like, I don't believe that people come up with new ideas by brainstorming or in coverage. Like, I just think that's kind of, again, fugazi, fugazi.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 1:05:50 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Contradicted
Sivulka: Hebbia was first to productionize RAG in 2020
“We end up building a product studio, which is the first to productionize RAG, Retrieval Augmented Generation, also in 2020.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 20:24 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Contradicted
Sivulka: Excel reached 90% finance market penetration in 18-24 months
“If you look at finance and how fast, ah, Excel went to 90% market penetration in finance. 1985 to 1986. Literally 18 months to 24 months, Excel took over all of finance. Everyone switched from using a calculator, the HP 12 C, to using Excel.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 30:53 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Held up
Sivulka: Big Tech custom chips and AMD will win AI inference over startups
“I think it'll probably be large tech providers and AMD.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 54:34 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Sivulka: 90% of AI market remains in experimental budget phase
“I think that 90% of the market is still in experimental budget phase, but we're starting to see early promises of Actual value.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 54:56 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Hebbia raised pre-seed from Peter Thiel and Floodgate before Index seed
“We raised a pre-seed from Peter Thiel, and Floodgate, and then our seed from Mike Volpe at Index”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 15:01 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Peter Thiel gave George Sivulka his first offer from a venture investor
“We ended up talking for, I think, like, four or five hours about Not only the company and all of the flaws that I had in my business model, but then also math and deep esoteric philosophy and like just the world. And he said, you know, I'm not investing at the…”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 17:32 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Hebbia hit $1M revenue before raising a $30M Series A from Index
“We ended up going from zero to a million dollars of revenue sometime in 2021 or 2022, and raise our series A also from Index, from Micon Index, which is thirty million bucks.”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 23:07 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Sivulka rented a master closet in East Palo Alto starting Hebbia
“I asked my friends who were renting out a house in East Palo Alto to let me rent a room, the cheapest room they could possibly find, and they were all fully booked, and it was like, I think, over a thousand dollars of rent, and they said, I think it was actual…”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 12:41 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Sivulka hacked his public school tablets to play StarCraft
“I was the type of kid that would hack the school tablets to put StarCraft on everyone's computer, and then, you know, we'd all, like, not be paying attention in public school playing StarCraft”
George Sivulka Jan 22, 2025 ▶ 3:05 George Sivulka, Co-Founder & CEO @Hebbia: The Future of Foundation Models | E1250 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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