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McCabe: If starting over, Intercom would require five days in-office
“If I started all again, I would definitely do five days a week. I think just being a person is just far superior.”
Traynor: OpenAI will never solve end-to-end enterprise user workflows
“And the thick wrapper is, is like when you've actually solved the user's problem end to end fully in a way that OpenAI never will, you know.”
McCabe: Building a $50B company is not substantially harder than $1B
“Building a fifty billion dollar company, I don't think is substantially harder than building a one billion dollar company, quite frankly, within say some sort of similar timelines. I really think that for talented, smart people, ambition and the size of your v…”
Randle: Legacy SaaS growing 7% with no AI strategy is a zombie
“And what Owen did, and what the whole team at Intercom did, or Finn did, is they took a situation where the equity of the company was essentially worthless because no, no one's gonna buy 300 growing seven. It just, you know, it's just not, it's not a SaaS asse…”
McCabe: Hard work cannot be beaten by four-day weeks or work-life balance
“And there are people out there who think that maybe there are smarter ways to work, that maybe four days a week is better than five, or maybe some version of work-life balance is more productive. And I think that that's false. I think that really fucking hard …”
McCabe: Intercom has 10 to 20 years before AI threatens its existence
“I wouldn't be working my ass off an intercom if I thought that it was about to die and be crushed by AI in a year or two. So I think we've got a decade, two decades.”
McCabe: Intercom AI resolution reaches 50%, beating Zendesk's high twenties
“When we first released our AI agent, the average resolution rate was in the high twenties to high 20%. So that's the rate at which it successfully closes tickets when it gets involved in the conversation. And now, like I said, it's approaching 50%. I think Zen…”
McCabe: Intercom banned internal political discussions years ago
“I introduced that years ago also, and we do not talk about politics and intercom, and I never do that within the company either.”
McCabe: Managing by consensus and polling staff leads to corporate mediocrity
“The way a professional CEO runs an organization is by consensus. So, imagine they want to feel out an opportunity to bring people back to the office. They'll go and they'll poll leaders and staff on their opinions, and if it's not popular, they won't do it. An…”
McCabe promises to defend employees attacked online for political views
“And if any employees ever attacked for their political positions online, Especially and particularly if there are positions that I disagree with, it's important that I demonstrate that these principles in those moments I will defend them.”
McCabe: Intercom's AI bot outresolves every competitor on the market
“We now have the highest performing AI customer service bot. You look at everything that's on the market. They can't resolve tickets at the rate we can.”
Traynor: Workflow depth, not technical novelty, wins B2B AI
“It's those who really understand the user workflow are the ones who actually win this, not those who kind of like, you know, straighten their glasses and say, academically, that's been possible for seven months now.”
Des Traynor: Founders should avoid raising billions at astronomical valuations during market frenzies
“Here's a shit lesson that's just true, right? If you're in the weirdest capital market in history and everyone's telling you to, like, raise billions of dollars at, like, ridiculous valuations, don't do it.”
Des Traynor: Scaleups cannot launch bare-bones MVPs without damaging their brand
“If intercom launches a surveys tool, which we did in March, we can't be like limping in with an MVP that doesn't work. It would actually be brand damaging. We need to like, it needs to have all of the traits of intercom.”
O'Driscoll Claims Salesforce Acquired Customer Service Startup Intercom
“Salesforce just bought Intercom where we were lucky enough to invest less than a year ago, and that's a very outcome-based product for customer support where they charge based on resolutions.”
Rajaram: Intercom's Fin and Podium reached $100M+ ARR from AI products
“Fin great example podium, another great example, both of them with the new products have gone to a hundred plus million in a couple of years.”
Lemkin: Mark Zuckerberg is investing heavily in AI out of spite
“It's CO spite about how they were forced to run companies in 20, 21. I think there's versions and I'm a big Sheryl Sandberg fan, but I think Zuck is spiteful. He was forced to run The company in a, in, in a certain way. I know a lot, I mean, Owen from Intercom…”
Rory O'Driscoll: Intercom's AI product growth rate is comparable to Sierra's
“I think they've done an amazing job in a way that very few SaaS companies have of transitioning to an AI first world, and the growth rate of their AI product is frankly comparable to Sierra's”
Deeter: Bessemer portfolio company hit 90% automated support with higher NPS via Fin
“I was at one of our portfolio company board meetings the other day, and they mentioned that they had switched from, you know, human-based interventions to the FIN product from Intercom, And they showed the stats of deflections went up, I forget to, you know, 9…”
Deeter: Canva and Intercom AI products generate hundreds of millions
“I look at a company like a Canva, or I look at a company like Intercom that's at a scale where in some ways they're already becoming an incumbent in those markets, and yet they're disrupting themselves at awesome rates and have AI products that are already, yo…”
McCabe: Intercom froze support hiring after adopting Fin AI agent
“At Intercom, for example, we've been using our, this AI agent fin for nearly two years, and we've not let anyone go, but we've stopped growing the size of our support team.”
McCabe: Intercom's AI bot resolution rate is approaching 50%
“The average resolution rate of our bot is now approaching 50%.”
McCabe: Only one Intercom employee resigned over political policies
“There was literally one person who left.”
McCabe: Intercom wrote an S-1 and almost went public in June 2022
“We nearly went public in 2022 and I'm so grateful that we did not... Yeah, twenty-twenty-two. I think it was June, 15. We had a stock ticker that I hated, but nothing cool was available. We had written our S-one, and the markets collapsed.”
Traynor: Winning in AI software requires more than LLM agnosticism
“I think it's a really important attribute to be able to transition from one LLM to another. Because if somebody does unlock new power, you'll want to be able to use it very quickly. I just, I don't know. I think winning involves more than just simply being agn…”
Traynor: Intercom's AI agent Fin resolves over 50% of support tickets
“And we see staggering results for Fin. Some people are getting, like, very, very high percentage of total support volume resolved With satisfaction, like above 50% of times, right?”
Traynor: Focusing on beating a declining competitor risks ruling over a graveyard
“Oftentimes you can find yourself ruling over a graveyard. Right. Like if we just beat Zendesk, but Zendesk is like in the current state it's in, that won't be the full realization of what Intercom can be.”
Traynor: Intercom does not need to raise further venture capital
“Intercom is like a series, what's that, like D or whatever company. We don't need to raise, so hence it's not E or F or whatever”
McCabe: Intercom would be 10x larger if started with bigger ambition
“I'm pretty sure that all other things being equal, if I was able to go back in time and start Intercom again, by this stage, it probably would be 10 exercise only because I now know that I can think bigger, and that simply doing so gives you just so many more …”
McCabe: Building a billion-dollar company does not heal internal insecurities
“Having built a super successful business, build a dollar company, hundreds of dollars in revenue, helped me feel good. But whatever little lacking thing is there on the inside is still present. And really what it's taken for me to chip away at that, as it were…”
McCabe: Intercom built a $100M business selling to SMBs
“We built a hundred million dollar business with SMB.”
Shah: Drift's pricing strategy will force competitors to drop per-contact pricing
“And that once someone did it, eventually a lot of the other companies are going to get a lot of pressure to do the same thing.”
McCabe: Intercom closed term sheets within days or hours of first meetings
“Basically all our rounds went from first meeting to sign term sheet in a number of days, if not like half day.”
O'Driscoll: Intercom will capture significant market share in AI customer service
“I'll tell you what I am betting on. I'm betting on that they can carve out a significant space in that market for that product, and that they've had explosive growth in it, and coming from the sass, I'm betting that I'm betting that that team coming from the S…”
Stebbings: Intercom will be the benchmark case study for AI rejuvenation
“I think Intercom will be actually a case study for the most aggressive, ah, re-acceleration, rejuvenation in a world of very changing technology.”
O'Driscoll: Intercom is the best incumbent adapting to AI
“Intercom is by far the best of those. They've done an amazing job of adding AI, their little fin charging. I mean, if there's anything that you could, if there's anything that a pre-gen AI company could do to get relevant in-gen AI for customer success, I thin…”
Stebbings: Intercom is valued at $2B after 17 years
“Intercom is, You know, bluntly, an amazing story to not a huge enterprise value today for 17 years. I know two billions a lot.”
Podjarny: Intercom's pivot to AI agent Finn was bold and correct
“One is, is indeed Intercom's bet on this autonomous agent I thought was very, very wise in Finn. And I think that was a bold and correct move to jump onto that. And I think it required a lot of conviction around around this being the future and then subsequent…”
McCabe says he originally left Intercom due to illness, slowing revenue, and press attacks
“When I left chiefly because I was sick, also because revenue started to slow, always, also because I was attacked in the press, and I was, like, spiritually crushed, physically crushed psychologically crushed.”
McCabe: Intercom was first to launch an AI support agent
“You know, we built, we were the first to come out with an AI agent that would do customer support for you, like actual conversations with customers and closing tickets.”
McCabe: Intercom's annual revenue is in the hundreds of millions
“It's in the hundreds of millions.”
Des Traynor: Intercom passes substantial software value directly to OpenAI
“Right now, a lot of value is going straight into the infra, like as in we're handing it all out the back door to open AI, and we actually torture test all of the LLMs.”
Stebbings: Equals raised its seed round at a $30M-$35M valuation
“I think I saw that first round, but it was at some egregious price cause they're out of intercom. And I mean, they're obviously very talented people, but it was like a 30 or a thirty five million start.”
Des Traynor: Startups shouldn't market themselves as new versions of incumbents
“Most startups with marketing with B to B or B to C, they forget to say the reason, they forget to say the thing that makes them unique, that's valuable. To the users. And if they're going up against an incumbent, the worst thing they can say is like, oh, we're…”
Traynor: Intercom's early blog prioritized general audience over buyer persona
“I think probably I prioritized growing an audience for the blog, overgrowing the right audience for the blog. And the net net is that we have a large audience for the blog. People who are like design or into product or even into engineering. People are maybe i…”
Traynor: AI adopters keep human seats to boost support quality
“What we're seeing a lot is, like, businesses are choosing to keep the seats and keep the people, and, like, just turn the dial on quality, so they just get really good at support.”
Traynor: Second Products Must Create Multiplicative Advantages with Core Offerings
“Is there value in doing both of these things under the same company? Like, and this is a question of like brand architecture in a sense, right? Cause if you really, if you think, Hey, I can find a second team and they're going to go and do this other thing. Wh…”
Traynor: Dedicated Competitors Signal a Feature Should Be a Standalone Product
“How are they currently solving the problem that this feature slash product solves? And if the answer is they're doing it in Excel or whatever, then yeah, you could probably argue you pull it in as a feature. If they actually have another platform where they li…”