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Assertion Open · timeframe Dec 2030
Lemkin: Drift Is Completely Dead After Being Banned by Salesforce
“They kicked Drift off five months ago. Drift will never come back. It is dead. It is completely dead.”
Jason Lemkin Dec 4, 2025 ▶ 16:58 Eventbrite Sold for $500M, Databricks $5B Raise at $134B Valuation & Why SaaS is Like Japan · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
What-if
Torres claims Drift would be public without executive equity concessions
“I would have a public company right now if I, if it wasn't for like all those carrots that I gave and candy bars and trophies.”
Elias Torres Mar 21, 2025 ▶ 29:54 Elias Torres, Co-Founder and CEO @ Agency: What No One Tells You About Selling Your Company · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Elias Torres calls selling Drift the biggest failure of his life
“Drift is the biggest failure in my life.”
Elias Torres Mar 21, 2025 ▶ 30:16 Elias Torres, Co-Founder and CEO @ Agency: What No One Tells You About Selling Your Company · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
No SaaS firm Cabane advised reached $50M ARR on a single channel
“And I have never seen a companies I've worked with, neither at Segment or at Drift, Gorgias, or Ram, and not in one of the companies I engage with, where we were able to get to fifty million on one channel. Not one.”
Guillaume Cabane Nov 29, 2023 ▶ 46:09 Guillaume Cabane: Why Your First Growth Hire Should Be a Former Founder | E1088 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Torres: Overrode interview panels to make hiring decisions at Drift, HubSpot
“By the way that I ran interview at HubSpot and Adrift, everybody, I would help, I have a panel of people interviewing, But I would always interview myself. I will do the informal, I will do the formal, I bring them in, and then I do the closing. But I let them…”
Elias Torres Mar 21, 2025 ▶ 39:20 Elias Torres, Co-Founder and CEO @ Agency: What No One Tells You About Selling Your Company · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Shah: Drift's pricing strategy will force competitors to drop per-contact pricing
“And that once someone did it, eventually a lot of the other companies are going to get a lot of pressure to do the same thing.”
Hiten Shah Aug 9, 2019 ▶ 28:24 20VC: Hiten Shah on The Right Way To Think About Depression, Control and Burnout, Why Nobody Really Knows What They Are Doing and How One Should Receive Advice As A Result & How To Gain Self-Awareness As A Leader
Assertion Supported
Elias Torres confirms Drift was sold for $1.2 billion
“1.2.”
Elias Torres Mar 21, 2025 ▶ 32:54 Elias Torres, Co-Founder and CEO @ Agency: What No One Tells You About Selling Your Company · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Torres: Drift scaled to 800 total employees, including 200 in customer support
“I had 800 people, I had 200 in CS.”
Elias Torres Mar 21, 2025 ▶ 21:07 Elias Torres, Co-Founder and CEO @ Agency: What No One Tells You About Selling Your Company · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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