Phin Barnes

Co-Founder & Managing Partner, The General Partnership · 3 appearances on the record.

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He co-founded The General Partnership, an early-stage venture capital firm that combines equity investment with embedded operational support. Before founding TheGP, he spent over a decade as a partner at First Round Capital, leading investments in companies such as Notion, Blue Apron, and Clover Health.

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2 predictions · 6 assertions · 6 opinions · 26 insights · 5 disclosures · every statement was checked. The predictions and assertions are the 8 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 2 are resolved, 1 is not yet assessed, and 5 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

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Their most notable supported claim

Prediction Held up

Barnes: TheGP Will Intentionally Limit Fund and Portfolio Scaling

“Our goal is not to scale. Our goal is to maximize quality of service delivery and impact on a smaller number of super high quality companies.”

Phin Barnes Oct 2, 2023 ▶ 27:13 Phin Barnes: The Services Model of Venture Capital is Broken, The Best Founders Do Need Help | E1067 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings

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4.5 / 5 directness 4.7 · coherence 4.7 · precision 4.3 · compression 3.9

answered every one of 39 assessed questions directly

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How they sound: speaking style how? →

251 words/min while actually speaking · 11.4 um and uh per 1k words · 26.9 false starts per 1k · 33.3% of pauses land inside a clause

Measured by listening to the audio itself: 11,389 words across 1 episode of raw-level tape, transcribed verbatim with every um and uh kept, each one attributed only where the alignment onto our timed stream is unambiguous. These are measurements of speaking style. We do not rank them: across this corpus, fluency and argument quality are nearly uncorrelated (ρ≈0.2), and smooth talking does not signal clear thinking. How it's measured →

How the interview went all their pushback → series average →

Across 3 rated episodes:

host pushback ▾ 2.7/10

pushed back at the host ▾ 1.7/10

setup questions received 52%

host pushback: the hardest questions Harry asked, tap to play ▶ 24:21“I'm just gonna, like, push, and I hope it's okay. I always say, Talent teams are largely BS unless you really invest in them because the diversity of roles that people will come to…” ▶ 28:23“So a couple of questions here, like number one, I had Jason Lemkin and Sam lesson on a round table show recently, and they both said the best founders, they don't need you. If a so…” ▶ 42:52“Can I push your thinking here? We've co-invested before. I've invested after you, which is an important addition, by the way. Not enough VCs make that addition. They're like, we co…” ▶ 12:56“How do you guys think about the centrality of character LTVs? Because I get very, very annoyed when I hear pre-seed and seed investors harp on about character LTV when quite frankl…” ▶ 19:33“If that's the type of investor that, you know, you'd like, and you think you will be with first round, I think, I mean, it's a, it's quite a direct question. So apologies for this,…” ▶ 26:58“Where do you think many firms maybe go wrong when approaching this?”

when Phin pushed back ▶ 16:13“I would push on that a little bit because I think your, your push into 20 sales, 20 products, 20 growth. Those are expansions that actually, uh, bolster the brand, right?” ▶ 28:43“I mean, I think, I think nothing against Sam, but they probably don't need him, right? That's what he's saying, right? Like if, you know, if, if someone, if someone says the best f…” ▶ 18:18“Well, I think this is a little bit of a trap and venture capitalists talk about the way they think about price all the time.” ▶ 13:19“I think pattern recognition is another name for intellectual laziness, right?”

What they said45 What others said33 Episodes3

Everything Phin Barnes said on 20VC that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Opinion

Barnes: Great Founders Need Help, But Not From VCs

“Every great founder needs help. They just don't need it from VCs.”

Phin Barnes Oct 2, 2023 ▶ 29:36 Phin Barnes: The Services Model of Venture Capital is Broken, The Best Founders Do Need Help | E1067 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings

Insight

Barnes: Traditional VC Fee and Carry Model Fails for Platform Services

“Then the fee and carry model doesn't work because those services show up as a cost center on the statement, the cash flow statement of the VC firm itself.”

Phin Barnes Oct 2, 2023 ▶ 20:16 Phin Barnes: The Services Model of Venture Capital is Broken, The Best Founders Do Need Help | E1067 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings

Insight

Barnes: VCs Losing Deals to Mega Funds Have a Product Problem

“And so when I hear people say that, I think you have a product problem. And if you can't convince a founder that partnering with you is what's best for their business in the face of your competition, You need to do something different.”

Phin Barnes Oct 2, 2023 ▶ 31:47 Phin Barnes: The Services Model of Venture Capital is Broken, The Best Founders Do Need Help | E1067 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings

Opinion

Barnes: Traditional VC Technical Diligence Is an Ineffective Game of Telephone

“The traditional process of understanding what a founder is doing technically is as a VC, that's not technical. You sit in that room, you do your best to understand, you reach out to someone who is technical, you provide some bastardized description of what tha…”

Phin Barnes Oct 2, 2023 ▶ 1:00:06 Phin Barnes: The Services Model of Venture Capital is Broken, The Best Founders Do Need Help | E1067 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings

Opinion

Phin Barnes: Saying startup ideas don't matter drives me crazy

“I think recently when I hear people say ideas don't matter, it just drives me crazy. Like the idea is the most valuable thing you have when you start, and the best ones are the result of a tremendous amount of work and effort, experience, insight. They're uniq…”

Phin Barnes Feb 4, 2020 ▶ 34:30 Breaking News: Meet First Round Capital's Newest Partner, How To Approach Generational Transition as a Venture Firm & The Dangers of Attribution In Venture

Insight

Phin Barnes: VC Pattern Recognition Is Just Intellectual Laziness

“I think pattern recognition is another name for intellectual laziness, right?”

Phin Barnes Oct 15, 2018 ▶ 13:19 20VC: First Round's Phin Barnes on How The Best Founders Optimize for Learning Per Dollar Spent, What Makes A Truly Special Founder/VC Relationship and Why Pattern Recognition is Another Term For Intellectual Laziness

Disclosure

Barnes: TheGP Earns Equity for Operator Services Instead of Fee Funding

“And we can do that because our business model means that, that, that work is a revenue center for the firm rather than a cost center, because we are in equity for doing that work.”

Phin Barnes Oct 2, 2023 ▶ 26:36 Phin Barnes: The Services Model of Venture Capital is Broken, The Best Founders Do Need Help | E1067 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings

Insight

Barnes: Capital Efficiency Matters Far More Than Theoretical TAM for Early VCs

“I think for early stage investors, It matters much less that there's a billion dollar opportunity in a market. There's a TAM that, you know, you can back your way into that suggests that there's, you know, tens of billions to be captured and you can rationaliz…”

Phin Barnes Oct 2, 2023 ▶ 42:29 Phin Barnes: The Services Model of Venture Capital is Broken, The Best Founders Do Need Help | E1067 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings

Insight

Barnes: Founder Value Creation Is a Multiplication Problem, Not Addition

“And I think in that case, the quality of that founder, the value they will create is a multiplication problem, not an addition problem. And so if you have a zero anywhere in a multiplication problem, the value is zero.”

Phin Barnes Oct 2, 2023 ▶ 49:01 Phin Barnes: The Services Model of Venture Capital is Broken, The Best Founders Do Need Help | E1067 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings

Opinion

Phin Barnes: Entry Price Matters Even in Outlier Investments Like Uber

“The basic math is even if you invest in Uber at a five million dollar post versus a fifteen million dollar post, the return that you generate is three X, like the basic math still holds. And so while it's an Epic investment, if you invested in a fifteen millio…”

Phin Barnes Oct 15, 2018 ▶ 19:45 20VC: First Round's Phin Barnes on How The Best Founders Optimize for Learning Per Dollar Spent, What Makes A Truly Special Founder/VC Relationship and Why Pattern Recognition is Another Term For Intellectual Laziness

Insight

Phin Barnes: Startups With Early Diversity Debt Rarely Achieve Diversity at Scale

“I think that burden quickly becomes untenable for the vast majority of people, and it becomes unlikely that that company will ever achieve diversity between 10 people and a hundred or 200 or 500 people”

Phin Barnes Oct 15, 2018 ▶ 29:36 20VC: First Round's Phin Barnes on How The Best Founders Optimize for Learning Per Dollar Spent, What Makes A Truly Special Founder/VC Relationship and Why Pattern Recognition is Another Term For Intellectual Laziness

Insight

Phin Barnes: Retaining Underrepresented Talent Is Exponentially Harder Than Recruiting Them

“At the same time, retaining them, because of the DNA of those businesses, because of the cultures that have been established, is a whole nother challenge, which is exponentially harder than recruiting them in the first place.”

Phin Barnes Oct 15, 2018 ▶ 30:16 20VC: First Round's Phin Barnes on How The Best Founders Optimize for Learning Per Dollar Spent, What Makes A Truly Special Founder/VC Relationship and Why Pattern Recognition is Another Term For Intellectual Laziness

Prediction Open · timeframe Oct 2028

Phin Barnes: Most Top Venture Outcomes Next Decade Will Have Diverse Founders

“For me, when I think about the next 10 years and the five to seven massive venture outcomes, right, so these are the Facebooks, the Ubers, the Airbnbs of the venture industry, my belief is that of those five to seven, somewhere between four and seven of them a…”

Phin Barnes Oct 15, 2018 ▶ 31:36 20VC: First Round's Phin Barnes on How The Best Founders Optimize for Learning Per Dollar Spent, What Makes A Truly Special Founder/VC Relationship and Why Pattern Recognition is Another Term For Intellectual Laziness

Insight

Barnes: Professionals Should Seek Work-Life Integration Over Work-Life Balance

“Work-life balance, I think is not the right model. Like, I think you want a life that you're proud of. I think you want work that you're proud of that weaves into your dinner conversations with your family”

Phin Barnes Oct 2, 2023 ▶ 5:14 Phin Barnes: The Services Model of Venture Capital is Broken, The Best Founders Do Need Help | E1067 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings

Prediction Held up

Barnes: TheGP Will Intentionally Limit Fund and Portfolio Scaling

“Our goal is not to scale. Our goal is to maximize quality of service delivery and impact on a smaller number of super high quality companies.”

Phin Barnes Oct 2, 2023 ▶ 27:13 Phin Barnes: The Services Model of Venture Capital is Broken, The Best Founders Do Need Help | E1067 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings

Insight

Barnes: Raising Too Much Early Capital Creates Adverse Cultural Effects

“And I think there's adverse effects in terms of the culture at the business, if you raise too much”

Phin Barnes Oct 2, 2023 ▶ 39:39 Phin Barnes: The Services Model of Venture Capital is Broken, The Best Founders Do Need Help | E1067 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings

Insight

Barnes: Analyzing Initial Market Size Causes Investors to Miss Market-Expanding Founders

“When you get stuck thinking through that and working through the hundred reasons why owning the black car market isn't worth it, then you miss That Travis would figure out UberX.”

Phin Barnes Oct 2, 2023 ▶ 44:18 Phin Barnes: The Services Model of Venture Capital is Broken, The Best Founders Do Need Help | E1067 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings

Disclosure

Barnes: Warby Parker Succeeded on Supply Chain and D2C, Not Design

“The first time we met Warby Parker, Those guys didn't have design sense. You know, Dave dresses pretty well now, but he didn't then. And like, there was no like style person on that team, but the truth is that the glasses had to look good, but that wasn't the …”

Phin Barnes Oct 2, 2023 ▶ 54:01 Phin Barnes: The Services Model of Venture Capital is Broken, The Best Founders Do Need Help | E1067 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings

Opinion

Barnes: Scaling in Venture Capital Has Eroded the Industry's Product

“I mean, I think there's been this push to scale and I think it's eroded the product of venture. Broadly.”

Phin Barnes Oct 2, 2023 ▶ 1:11:18 Phin Barnes: The Services Model of Venture Capital is Broken, The Best Founders Do Need Help | E1067 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings

Disclosure

First Round Capital does not use deal attribution or partner portfolios

“We don't have an attribution model, and so when we make an investment, it's a first-round company. I don't have my portfolio, and over time, Todd won't have his, and so on.”

Phin Barnes Feb 4, 2020 ▶ 28:04 Breaking News: Meet First Round Capital's Newest Partner, How To Approach Generational Transition as a Venture Firm & The Dangers of Attribution In Venture

Insight

Phin Barnes: VCs Have Little Control Over Long-Term Financial Outcomes

“The challenge with that measure is as an investor, I think you have very little control over that success metric.”

Phin Barnes Oct 15, 2018 ▶ 8:07 20VC: First Round's Phin Barnes on How The Best Founders Optimize for Learning Per Dollar Spent, What Makes A Truly Special Founder/VC Relationship and Why Pattern Recognition is Another Term For Intellectual Laziness

Insight

Phin Barnes: Top VC Returns Come From Market Creation, Not Pattern Matching

“The largest outcomes in venture capital come from new markets that are created by entrepreneurs, not entrepreneurs matching patterns and capturing markets that already exist.”

Phin Barnes Oct 15, 2018 ▶ 15:36 20VC: First Round's Phin Barnes on How The Best Founders Optimize for Learning Per Dollar Spent, What Makes A Truly Special Founder/VC Relationship and Why Pattern Recognition is Another Term For Intellectual Laziness

Insight

Phin Barnes: High Capital Velocity Lowers Startup Quality and Venture Returns

“When you think about what it takes to get funded as the velocity of capital increases, what it takes to raise money. Decreases. So not only do you have increasing prices due to increased supply, but you also have a lowering of quality due to the increase in ve…”

Phin Barnes Oct 15, 2018 ▶ 17:39 20VC: First Round's Phin Barnes on How The Best Founders Optimize for Learning Per Dollar Spent, What Makes A Truly Special Founder/VC Relationship and Why Pattern Recognition is Another Term For Intellectual Laziness

Assertion Not checkable as stated

Phin Barnes: Capital Abundance Decreases Founders' Learning Per Dollar Spent

“And I think that over time, what we're seeing in this market anyway, is that people are decreasing that ratio of learning per dollar spent because capital is so plentiful.”

Phin Barnes Oct 15, 2018 ▶ 22:07 20VC: First Round's Phin Barnes on How The Best Founders Optimize for Learning Per Dollar Spent, What Makes A Truly Special Founder/VC Relationship and Why Pattern Recognition is Another Term For Intellectual Laziness

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Who brings them up most Harry Stebbings 22 Josh Kopelman 5 Anjney Midha 4 Leo Polovets 1

Statements about Phin Barnes, by other people (1)

Disclosure

Polovets uses post-meeting surveys to gather founder feedback on pitch meetings

“I actually got this idea from Finn at first round where he started sending a survey to founders he met with to basically ask them what they thought of the meeting. So I've been doing that for the last year or two, and it's a really short survey.”

Leo Polovets Nov 12, 2018 ▶ 20:56 20VC: Why Warm Intros Are Mostly Dumb, Why Ownership is Built On First Check and 4 Crucial Elements To Make Cold Inbound Attractive with Leo Polovets, General Partner @ Susa Ventures

Every mention by year

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2019 24 mentions in 3 episodes 8 per episode

20VC: First Round's Josh Kopelman on Why Price Is Both An Art and A Science, Why Ownership Must Be Built on First Check and The Negative Consequences of Attribution in Venture Jan 28, 2019 · 12 mentions · from 3:13
20VC: What Makes The Best Venture Firms Today So Special, The 3 Structural Impediments That Face Venture Today and Why The Debate on AR vs VR is BS with Anjney Midha, Founder & CEO @ Ubiquity6 Feb 8, 2019 · 9 mentions · from 0:29
20VC: BoxGroup's David Tisch on Whether Concentrated Investing At Seed Works, Do Founders Really Want Direct Feedback and Is It Good For Them & Why Consumer Social Is Interesting Again Dec 2, 2019 · 3 mentions · from 33:15
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2018 5 mentions in 3 episodes 2 per episode

20VC: Why Entrepreneurs Should Let Everyone Rip Apart Their Business Idea, How To Construct Frameworks for Success & Why You Should Not Always Test Your MVP with Afton Vechery, Founder & CEO @ Modern Fertility Oct 5, 2018 · 3 mentions · from 0:57
20VC: Why Founders Should Not Always Be Raising, How To Build Relationships with VCs In A Condensed Timeframe, Why The Founder To VC Relationship Is Not Like A Marriage with Dave Vasen, Founder & CEO @ Brightwheel Dec 14, 2018 · 1 mention · from 6:10
20VC: Why Warm Intros Are Mostly Dumb, Why Ownership is Built On First Check and 4 Crucial Elements To Make Cold Inbound Attractive with Leo Polovets, General Partner @ Susa Ventures Nov 12, 2018 · 1 mention · from 20:56
every mention in 2018, scene by scene →

2017 3 mentions in 1 episode

20VC: How To Create FOMO For Investors, How To Manage VC Conversations & A Repeatable Process For Learning New Things with Anna Shedletsky, Founder & CEO @ Instrumental.ai Apr 7, 2017 · 3 mentions · from 0:21
every mention in 2017, scene by scene →

Appearances (3)

Episode	Date	Speaking time
Phin Barnes: The Services Model of Venture Capital is Broken, The Best Founders Do Need He	Oct 2, 2023	54m
Breaking News: Meet First Round Capital's Newest Partner, How To Approach Generational Tra	Feb 4, 2020	10m
20VC: First Round's Phin Barnes on How The Best Founders Optimize for Learning Per Dollar	Oct 15, 2018	28m

Phin Barnes

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