Phil Libin

Co-Founder & CEO, All Turtles · 3 appearances on the record.

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Phil Libin is the former CEO of Evernote, which he led from 2007 to 2015 before joining General Catalyst as a Managing Director. He is currently the co-founder and CEO of product studio All Turtles and video platform mmhmm.

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8 predictions · 3 assertions · 4 opinions · 20 insights · 5 disclosures · every statement was checked. The predictions and assertions are the 11 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 2 are resolved, and 9 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

The record, in short

What the tape says about how Phil argues and how the claims held up. Everything they said, and everything said about them, is in the tabs below.

Their most notable contradicted claim

Prediction Didn’t hold up
Libin: All Turtles will expand to eight global cities within five years
“So the vision is, you know, in five years, we'll be in eight different cities. We're in three. Now we're opening up the fourth one next year. We'll be in eight cities, eight world cities, each one working on a number of very practical products that solve real …”
Phil Libin Oct 26, 2018 ▶ 19:38 20VC: Phil Libin on Why The Concept of A Silicon Valley Style Startup Is Made To Benefit VCs, Why The Very Structure of Companies Is Outdated and Inefficient & What It Means To Build The Netflix of Product

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4.4 / 5 directness 4.7 · coherence 4.8 · precision 4.3 · compression 3.7

answered every one of 12 assessed questions directly

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How they sound: speaking style how? →

278 words/min while actually speaking · 26.4 um and uh per 1k words

Measured by listening to the audio itself: 3,521 words across 1 episode of raw-level tape, transcribed verbatim with every um and uh kept, each one attributed only where the alignment onto our timed stream is unambiguous. These are measurements of speaking style. We do not rank them: across this corpus, fluency and argument quality are nearly uncorrelated (ρ≈0.2), and smooth talking does not signal clear thinking. How it's measured →

How the interview went all their pushback → series average →

Across 3 rated episodes:

setup questions received 53%

Everything Phil Libin said on 20VC that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Opinion
Libin: Silicon Valley Startup Model Engineered to Benefit Top-Tier VCs
“This idea of making a startup, a Silicon Valley-style startup, the concept has been engineered to benefit top-tier VCs.”
Phil Libin Oct 26, 2018 ▶ 16:23 20VC: Phil Libin on Why The Concept of A Silicon Valley Style Startup Is Made To Benefit VCs, Why The Very Structure of Companies Is Outdated and Inefficient & What It Means To Build The Netflix of Product
Opinion
Libin: Calling an industry a relationship business signals it is immature
“A sign of, like, a non-serious business is when people in it say this is a relationship business. This is a sign of, like, it's immature, and it's not professionalized.”
Phil Libin Jan 25, 2021 ▶ 13:19 20VC: Evernote & mmhmm Founder Phil Libin on Why We are Beginning a Multi-Trillion Dollar Restructuring of the World, Why Shortcuts are the Biggest Mistakes Startups Make & The Future of Video and The Unbundling of Zoom
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Libin: Big Tech's Data Advantage Will Be a Big Nothing in Five Years
“So I think over the next, like, five years, this, like, alleged entrenched data advantage of big companies will turn out to be, you know, a big nothing.”
Phil Libin Oct 26, 2018 ▶ 13:59 20VC: Phil Libin on Why The Concept of A Silicon Valley Style Startup Is Made To Benefit VCs, Why The Very Structure of Companies Is Outdated and Inefficient & What It Means To Build The Netflix of Product
Assertion Partly supported
Libin: Average Expected Return for Startup Founders Is Sharply Negative
“Because the average expected return for founders of making a startup is sharply negative.”
Phil Libin Oct 26, 2018 ▶ 15:44 20VC: Phil Libin on Why The Concept of A Silicon Valley Style Startup Is Made To Benefit VCs, Why The Very Structure of Companies Is Outdated and Inefficient & What It Means To Build The Netflix of Product
Insight
Great Products Get Discovered Automatically Without a Distribution Strategy
“I've never cared about discovery and about distribution. I think, like, the best stuff gets discovered automatically.”
Phil Libin Jan 4, 2017 ▶ 9:47 20VC: Evernote's Phil Libin on The Pros and Cons Of Moving To VC, The Future For Bots & Having Marc Benioff & Reid Hoffman As Mentors
Insight
Libin: Early-stage VC incentives force startups to take damaging shortcuts
“The incentives are when you're investing, especially if you're doing early stage investing, just like me, you're not looking for things that are likely to succeed, right? You're looking for things that have a plausible chance of succeeding, even if it's not a …”
Phil Libin Jan 25, 2021 ▶ 8:14 20VC: Evernote & mmhmm Founder Phil Libin on Why We are Beginning a Multi-Trillion Dollar Restructuring of the World, Why Shortcuts are the Biggest Mistakes Startups Make & The Future of Video and The Unbundling of Zoom
Insight
Libin: The shift to video communication is a multi-trillion-dollar opportunity
“And for mm-hmm, since I think this is a multi-trillion dollar thing that's happening right now, I think mm-hmm needed to get pretty big, pretty quickly, raise external capital, and so it was a perfect thing to say, okay, yeah, embodying this in a spin-out star…”
Phil Libin Jan 25, 2021 ▶ 9:57 20VC: Evernote & mmhmm Founder Phil Libin on Why We are Beginning a Multi-Trillion Dollar Restructuring of the World, Why Shortcuts are the Biggest Mistakes Startups Make & The Future of Video and The Unbundling of Zoom
Insight
Libin: Founders should be the worst person at every job function
“So never hire someone whose job you can do better than them. Only hire people, only surround yourself with people that are ridiculously better than you or that are superior to you in their job or other things as much as possible. Like always be the worst perso…”
Phil Libin Jan 25, 2021 ▶ 11:44 20VC: Evernote & mmhmm Founder Phil Libin on Why We are Beginning a Multi-Trillion Dollar Restructuring of the World, Why Shortcuts are the Biggest Mistakes Startups Make & The Future of Video and The Unbundling of Zoom
Insight
Libin: Evaluating pitches based on what you would build is flawed
“When you hear a pitch, you get excited about what you would do with this idea. And that's a really shitty way to make investments because you're not going to do anything with this idea. You got to try to figure out what they're going to do with this idea.”
Phil Libin Jan 25, 2021 ▶ 17:18 20VC: Evernote & mmhmm Founder Phil Libin on Why We are Beginning a Multi-Trillion Dollar Restructuring of the World, Why Shortcuts are the Biggest Mistakes Startups Make & The Future of Video and The Unbundling of Zoom
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Libin: Video integration will transform everything within two years
“Integrating video into everything in this hybrid model is going to literally affect almost a hundred percent of all things in life. It's going to be a bigger transformation as the dot-com transformation was, except it's not going to take 10 years. It's going t…”
Phil Libin Jan 25, 2021 ▶ 26:51 20VC: Evernote & mmhmm Founder Phil Libin on Why We are Beginning a Multi-Trillion Dollar Restructuring of the World, Why Shortcuts are the Biggest Mistakes Startups Make & The Future of Video and The Unbundling of Zoom
Insight
Libin: Most startup boards are stateless, but Roelof Botha maintains context
“Most boards' conversations are totally stateless, meaning that the board members walk in, and they don't remember anything that you talked about before, and you start over. And this is the most frustrating thing for entrepreneurs, because, of course, like, you…”
Phil Libin Jan 25, 2021 ▶ 37:19 20VC: Evernote & mmhmm Founder Phil Libin on Why We are Beginning a Multi-Trillion Dollar Restructuring of the World, Why Shortcuts are the Biggest Mistakes Startups Make & The Future of Video and The Unbundling of Zoom
Prediction Not checkable as stated
80% of Work Software and 50% of Consumer Software Will Become Conversational
“So my guess is about 50% of what we use as consumers will become conversational, botified, and about 80% of what we do at work.”
Phil Libin Jan 4, 2017 ▶ 12:02 20VC: Evernote's Phil Libin on The Pros and Cons Of Moving To VC, The Future For Bots & Having Marc Benioff & Reid Hoffman As Mentors
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Bots Will Disrupt Software by Joining Multi-Human Conversations
“I think it's a major point of disruption. I think that the single biggest change is going to be for the past few decades almost all of our interactions with technology have been one person interacting with some system. So it's been like you using Microsoft Wor…”
Phil Libin Jan 4, 2017 ▶ 14:45 20VC: Evernote's Phil Libin on The Pros and Cons Of Moving To VC, The Future For Bots & Having Marc Benioff & Reid Hoffman As Mentors
Insight
Libin: The biggest shortcut early-stage startups take is hiring personal friends
“One of the many things that are wrong with startups is startups are all about shortcuts. All of the incentives are to take as many shortcuts as you can. The biggest shortcut that you can take is just hiring your friends”
Phil Libin Jan 25, 2021 ▶ 6:00 20VC: Evernote & mmhmm Founder Phil Libin on Why We are Beginning a Multi-Trillion Dollar Restructuring of the World, Why Shortcuts are the Biggest Mistakes Startups Make & The Future of Video and The Unbundling of Zoom
Insight
Libin: A founder's struggle to delegate is a failure to hire well
“Like, it is your failure if you have not hired people that you think are better than you at their job.”
Phil Libin Jan 25, 2021 ▶ 12:53 20VC: Evernote & mmhmm Founder Phil Libin on Why We are Beginning a Multi-Trillion Dollar Restructuring of the World, Why Shortcuts are the Biggest Mistakes Startups Make & The Future of Video and The Unbundling of Zoom
Insight
Libin: Employees earn no credit for following instructions, only for outcomes
“There are no points for following instructions. There's only points for succeeding, for doing the right stuff”
Phil Libin Jan 25, 2021 ▶ 20:05 20VC: Evernote & mmhmm Founder Phil Libin on Why We are Beginning a Multi-Trillion Dollar Restructuring of the World, Why Shortcuts are the Biggest Mistakes Startups Make & The Future of Video and The Unbundling of Zoom
Disclosure
Libin: Formal performance reviews often do more harm than good
“I just haven't had good success with like reviews that felt more useful than harmful.”
Phil Libin Jan 25, 2021 ▶ 22:59 20VC: Evernote & mmhmm Founder Phil Libin on Why We are Beginning a Multi-Trillion Dollar Restructuring of the World, Why Shortcuts are the Biggest Mistakes Startups Make & The Future of Video and The Unbundling of Zoom
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Libin: Within a year, native video startups will redefine meetings
“And obviously, within a year, like, this isn't what video is going to be like. Obviously, It's going to be the next generation of like native to video companies that comes along and says, well, no, we're not trying to recreate the old reality. We're not trying…”
Phil Libin Jan 25, 2021 ▶ 29:58 20VC: Evernote & mmhmm Founder Phil Libin on Why We are Beginning a Multi-Trillion Dollar Restructuring of the World, Why Shortcuts are the Biggest Mistakes Startups Make & The Future of Video and The Unbundling of Zoom
Insight
Libin: Exceptional talent is global, but opportunity is concentrated near Stanford
“Exceptional talent, like, Mozart-level brilliant, exceptional talent is very, very rare in the world, but it's evenly distributed, and, but opportunity isn't, and so it is bad for the world that so much of the opportunity for crazy, exceptionally talented, cre…”
Phil Libin Jan 25, 2021 ▶ 35:25 20VC: Evernote & mmhmm Founder Phil Libin on Why We are Beginning a Multi-Trillion Dollar Restructuring of the World, Why Shortcuts are the Biggest Mistakes Startups Make & The Future of Video and The Unbundling of Zoom
Insight
Libin: A good idea remains good regardless of market cycles
“For the most part, a good idea one year is still a good idea, regardless of whether the market is up or down.”
Phil Libin Oct 26, 2018 ▶ 5:04 20VC: Phil Libin on Why The Concept of A Silicon Valley Style Startup Is Made To Benefit VCs, Why The Very Structure of Companies Is Outdated and Inefficient & What It Means To Build The Netflix of Product
Opinion
Libin: Working two years in VC made me a better CEO than operating
“I think that my two year inadvertent vacation in venture capital, I think has probably made me a better CEO than any actual time operating a company.”
Phil Libin Oct 26, 2018 ▶ 6:13 20VC: Phil Libin on Why The Concept of A Silicon Valley Style Startup Is Made To Benefit VCs, Why The Very Structure of Companies Is Outdated and Inefficient & What It Means To Build The Netflix of Product
Opinion
Phil Libin: Geographical Silicon Valley is less important than ever for innovation
“Silicon Valley, the actual geographical Silicon Valley, and basically San Francisco, and, you know, the area between San Francisco and Stanford is, I think, less important than it's ever been for tech and for innovation.”
Phil Libin Oct 26, 2018 ▶ 7:34 20VC: Phil Libin on Why The Concept of A Silicon Valley Style Startup Is Made To Benefit VCs, Why The Very Structure of Companies Is Outdated and Inefficient & What It Means To Build The Netflix of Product
Insight
Libin: Forcing Great Product Creators to Become CEOs Makes No Sense
“Like it doesn't make sense to take brilliant product people and force them to become mediocre CEOs before they can actually make that product.”
Phil Libin Oct 26, 2018 ▶ 16:54 20VC: Phil Libin on Why The Concept of A Silicon Valley Style Startup Is Made To Benefit VCs, Why The Very Structure of Companies Is Outdated and Inefficient & What It Means To Build The Netflix of Product
Prediction Didn’t hold up
Libin: All Turtles will expand to eight global cities within five years
“So the vision is, you know, in five years, we'll be in eight different cities. We're in three. Now we're opening up the fourth one next year. We'll be in eight cities, eight world cities, each one working on a number of very practical products that solve real …”
Phil Libin Oct 26, 2018 ▶ 19:38 20VC: Phil Libin on Why The Concept of A Silicon Valley Style Startup Is Made To Benefit VCs, Why The Very Structure of Companies Is Outdated and Inefficient & What It Means To Build The Netflix of Product

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Appearances (3)

EpisodeDateSpeaking time
20VC: Evernote & mmhmm Founder Phil Libin on Why We are Beginning a Multi-Trillion Dollar Jan 25, 2021 27m
20VC: Phil Libin on Why The Concept of A Silicon Valley Style Startup Is Made To Benefit V Oct 26, 2018 18m
20VC: Evernote's Phil Libin on The Pros and Cons Of Moving To VC, The Future For Bots & Ha Jan 4, 2017 13m
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