Pedro Franceschi
Co-Founder and CEO, Brex · 1 appearance on the record.
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After co-founding the Brazilian payments platform Pagar.me, Franceschi co-founded Brex, a corporate card and spend management platform. He first gained recognition as a teenager for jailbreaking the iPhone 3G in Brazil before dropping out of Stanford University to build Brex.
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2 predictions · 15 assertions · 5 opinions · 10 insights · 13 disclosures · every statement was checked. The predictions and assertions are the 17 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 9 are resolved, and 8 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.
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Pedro Franceschi Confirms Brex Will Not Go Public Within the Next Year
“We're not going to go public anytime in the next year. It's something coming in the future, but getting ready for this and having the structure in place sooner probably just acclimates everyone to the way we actually run the company day to day.”
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4.0 / 5
directness 4.2 · coherence 4.2 ·
precision 3.6 · compression 3.3
redirected or did not address 5 of 40 assessed questions (13%). Watch them ▸
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264 words/min while actually speaking · 18.5 um and uh per 1k words · 26.9 false starts per 1k · 26.6% of pauses land inside a clause
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Across 1 rated episode:
host pushback ▾ 5/10
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setup questions received 28%
host pushback: the hardest questions Harry asked, tap to play ▶ 10:47“Do you regret raising as much as you did? I chatted to Mood before the show, and he mentioned this wonderful hustle and scrappiness in the company, and then mentioned, I can't reme…” “When you look at ramps product marketing, it's always been tailored towards the finance teams and towards saving. And I think people criticize you as saying it's more towards free,…” ▶ 13:56“I think one of your investors, I can't remember who it was, I'm not deliberately shying, but they said about many of your brilliant skills, but they said one of your weaknesses, yo…”
Everything Pedro Franceschi said on 20VC that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →
Franceschi: Leadership bandwidth, not headcount, limits corporate execution capability
“The limiting factor in how many things it can do is not the headcount, not the team is the leadership bandwidth. It's like how much time your best people spend, you know, doing, building things that are really high quality and really high craft. That's just re…”
Franceschi: Growing Headcount 10x From 100 to 1,000 Yields 30% More Output
“You always think, oh, I have a hundred people. I'm going to have a thousand people and do two next, more. And it's like, no, you're going to do maybe 30% more.”
Franceschi: Only Brex, Citi, and Amex offer full global local card settlement
“And today there's three companies on the planet that can do that. Number one is Brex. Number two is Citibank. Number three is American Express. That's it.”
Franceschi: American Express's Product Is Outdated and Lacks Software Controls
“I think the product is, is pretty outdated to be quite honest. And I mean, it's just literally a card. They have a great point system, but it's just a card. There's no software. There's no controls. There's no nothing”
Franceschi: Pivoting is hard; founders underestimate starting with a good idea
“I think the initial conditions are, like, highly underestimated. There's this belief that I can just pivot my way around into an idea that works. It's really hard to pivot away into something else, and I think people just don't anticipate how much of just find…”
Pedro Franceschi: Brex spent 18 months unlearning corporate habits
“And I think, you know, a lot of the work, especially over the past, like, 18 months was like, how do we just unlearn a lot of that and go back to the basics?”
Pedro Franceschi Confirms Brex Will Not Go Public Within the Next Year
“We're not going to go public anytime in the next year. It's something coming in the future, but getting ready for this and having the structure in place sooner probably just acclimates everyone to the way we actually run the company day to day.”
Franceschi: Scaling founders become apologetic and over-index on outside executives' playbooks
“I think founders become, like, apologetic in the way they went around the company, because the company starts scaling, right? You have something that's working, and then the business starts growing, and then you have, like, all these people from the outside th…”
Franceschi Spent 70% of His Time Writing APIs for Brex Enterprise
“So what I did back then is I just said, hey, I'm going to spend 70% of my time building that product. And I just, like, delegated everything else of, like, day-to-day management of the company to my team. And I just spend, like, you know, 60, 70% of my time wr…”
Pedro Franceschi Argues That No Great Company Was Built on Cost Savings
“I just don't think any great company was built on savings.”
Franceschi: Brex Missed Targets in Two 2023 Quarters But Is Ahead Now
“So like last year we were behind plan in two quarters, this year we're way ahead of the plan.”
Franceschi: Revenue Predictability Is Brex's Primary Bottleneck to Going Public
“Oh, we know for sure where revenue, where, you know, where income is going to be in two or three quarters. And I think it's really hard to go public unless you have that. And that's probably the biggest bottleneck for us into doing is just level of predictabil…”
Franceschi: Companies must evaluate financial metrics in the most punitive way
“I have this belief that That we need to look at metrics the most punitive way possible.”
Pedro Franceschi: Workflow automation creates higher retention than credit card cashback
“A lot of the value they get from the platform and the software and the automation starts to play a bigger role where, you know, customers like, well, I actually run my whole closing process on top of this. So the cost is higher than what I gain as cashback.”
Franceschi: Senior leaders should maintain strong individual contributor skills
“That you should look for individual contributor skills in very senior levels of leadership.”
Pedro Franceschi intends to take Brex public as CEO
“I definitely want to go through the journey. And I think to realize the potential of Brex I think that's the best path.”
Franceschi: Brex Was the Last Sexy Fintech Idea, Not the Last One
“There is this investor that, you know, didn't invest in Brex, but I actually know quite well that says that Brex is the last good fintech idea. And I'm like, I don't think that's true. I think it's the last sexy good one, but I think there's a lot there”
Franceschi: Initial idea and co-founder selection represent 50% of company building
“If I were to write a book about how to build a company, there would be two parts. 50% importance of each. Part one takes six months. Part two takes 10 years. And the part one is just finding what you're gonna do and who you're gonna do it with.”
Franceschi Suffered Paralyzing Anxiety Multiple Times in 2021 While Leading Brex
“I think my issue was more anxiety. Like paralyzing anxiety. Yeah. In 20, 21. Many times.”
Franceschi: Founder burnout is a top cause of post-PMF startup failure
“You know, I look at a lot of founders that are really successful, and probably the second or third largest reason why startups don't work after product market fit, of course, is founders just burning out.”
Pedro Franceschi Earned $200,000 at Age 14 Selling iOS Cydia Apps
“And I made, like, I don't know, like, 200 K in, like, when I was 14.”
Franceschi's First Startup Scaled to Billions in GMV on $300K Raised
“I guess the other one that was interesting for us is we built our first company in Brazil to probably, probably the first, you know, four or five years of the company. We went from zero to, you know, processing, you know, a few billion dollars a year in GMV, a…”
Franceschi: Brex stopped following standard Silicon Valley playbooks in 2023
“And then I think there was this moment last year that, that we just said, Hey, like I, there's just a way in which I believe we should run the company. And it's not very traditional. And I think a lot of people will probably, you know, it doesn't follow all th…”
The other half of the tape: Pedro Franceschi's own voice is left out of every number here. Other people bring the name up 128 times in 54 episodes on 20VC. 3 statements on the record name them. every mention, with the transcript →
Who brings them up most Harry Stebbings 112Henrique Dubugras 11Victor Lazarte 2Jason Lemkin 1Hugo Barra 1
Statements about Pedro Franceschi, by other people (3)
Brex split co-founder roles into internal management and external CEO duties
“Pedro and I, we kind of found our space. Split around external CEO and internal CEO. Pidra actually loves management, and he hates doing a lot of the external stuff that CEOs do, and I don't really like management, but I like a lot of the other jobs the CEO ha…”
Lazarte: Brex co-founder Pedro Franceschi discovered early iPhone jailbreak
“That, like, back in the day, he was the first person to find one of the jail breaks for the iPhone, right?”
Brex co-founders knew each other for only weeks before starting their company
“You know, it's kind of lucky. I think a lot of the, you know, common advice is that, you know, don't work with someone that you haven't known. For a long time, and we knew each other for, you know, a couple of weeks before we started a company together, so I w…”
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2026 2 mentions in 1 episode
2025 11 mentions in 1 episode
2022 8 mentions in 2 episodes 4 per episode
- 20VC: Brex's Henrique Dubugras on Advice from Evan Spiegel and Eric Schmidt on CEOship, The Biggest Hiring Mistakes When Scaling, What Everyone Gets Wrong with Product Messaging and When is the Right Time to Launch Secondary Products
- Hugo Barra: How I Built Hardware for Android, Xiaomi, and Oculus | 20VC #947 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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2020 11 mentions in 6 episodes 2 per episode
- 20VC: Framework For Hiring The Best Talent 100% Remotely, Raising $32M From Benchmark and GV Pre-Launch and How To Think Through Capital Efficiency and Runway Today with Jeff Seibert and Wayne Chang, Co-Founders @ Digits
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- 20VC: Retool Founder, David Hsu on Why YC Is Helpful Pre Product-Market Fit but Not Post and Why VCs Are Not Helpful Pre-Product Market-Fit but are Post, Why it is Difficult to Become Unprofitable if You Set Yourself Up For Profitability Early & Why VC Th
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2019 63 mentions in 29 episodes 2 per episode
- 20VC: Brex Founder Henrique Dubugras on Why Being Mission Driven Is Not The Only Way To Build A Massive Business, Why You Should Not Associate Fundraising with The Cash Needs of Your Business & Why You Don't Have To Follow Startup Theory When It Comes To
- 20VC: NEA Partner, Dayna Grayson on Sourcing, Picking, Winning, Gut vs Data in Investment Decision-Making & The Evolution of Entrepreneurial Expectations of Venture
- 20VC: BoxGroup's David Tisch on Whether Concentrated Investing At Seed Works, Do Founders Really Want Direct Feedback and Is It Good For Them & Why Consumer Social Is Interesting Again
- 20VC: Why The Best Entrepreneurs Are Cockroaches, What Everyone Underestimates About Customer Acquisition & What You Don't But Need To Know About Payback Periods with Josh Buckley, Founder & Chairman @ Mino Games
- 20VC: Ash Fontana on The 5 Core Characteristics That Make Data Valuable, What VCs Can Learn From Italian Craftsmen and Howard Marks & The Importance of Vertical Integration In Scaling Today
- 20VC: Firstmark's Rick Heitzmann on The Rise of Pre-Emptive Rounds, His Biggest Learnings From The Pinterest Board, 2 Things VCs Can Do To Prepare Their Companies For The Downturn and Why Now Is A Good Time to Be Contrarian and Invest In Consumer
- 20VC: Inside The Mind of A Leading LP: How LPs Evaluate New Fund Managers on Everything from First Meeting to Portfolio Construction To Fees and Carry with Lisa Edgar, Managing Director @ Top Tier Capital Partners
- 20VC: How To Drop The BS and Relationship Build With Investors, What Investors Can vs Cannot Help Your Company With & Why When There Is Doubt There Is No Doubt In Hiring
- 21 more episodes that year, every mention in 2019 →
2018 33 mentions in 15 episodes 2 per episode
- 20VC: Learnings From Backing The Likes of Spotify and Airbnb, The World of Growth Investing Today and The Right Way For Investors To Think About Liquidity with Woody Marshall, General Partner @ TCV
- 20VC: First Round's Phin Barnes on How The Best Founders Optimize for Learning Per Dollar Spent, What Makes A Truly Special Founder/VC Relationship and Why Pattern Recognition is Another Term For Intellectual Laziness
- 20VC: A Framework For Approaching Risk and How It Affects Portfolio Construction | Lessons and Advice From Working with Dropbox's Drew Houston | Why Being A Learning Animal Is The Most Important Factor For Success with Ted Wang, Partner @ Cowboy Ventures
- 20VC: Why Founders Should Not Always Be Raising, How To Build Relationships with VCs In A Condensed Timeframe, Why The Founder To VC Relationship Is Not Like A Marriage with Dave Vasen, Founder & CEO @ Brightwheel
- 20VC: Top 3 Considerations When Evaluating Consumer Businesses Today | 700 Meetings, 70 LPs, 2 Years, What It Takes To Raise a First Time Fund| The Power of The Female Network In Action Today with Anu Duggal, Founding Partner @ Female Founders Fund
- 20VC: CB Insights' Anand Sanwal on The Most Dangerous Myth Some Investors Have Promoted, Why Most B2B Content Is Crap and How To Make It Successful & Why Predigree Is Overrated and The Right Way To Scale Teams
- 20VC: Index's Danny Rimer on His Biggest Lessons On Price, Ownership, Board Dynamics & Building Consumer Businesses from Backing The Likes of King, Skype, Farfetch, Glossier and more...
- 20VC: Ryan Caldbeck on Why The Business Model of VC is Broken, Who is To Blame, How The Best Funds Will Use Data Intelligently Moving Forward & Whether We Are In A Consumer Bubble Or Not?
- 7 more episodes that year, every mention in 2018 →
Appearances (1)
| Episode | Date | Speaking time |
|---|---|---|
| Pedro Franceschi: What Brex Needs to do to be a Public Company | E1178 · 20VC with Harry | Jul 17, 2024 | 41m |