Luca Ferrari

Co-Founder & CEO, Bending Spoons · 1 appearance on the record.

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Luca Ferrari co-founded Milan-based technology company Bending Spoons in 2013, scaling it through acquisitions including Evernote, Meetup, and Splice. He is known for a permanent-capital playbook that acquires mature software assets to overhaul their codebase, cost structure, and operating efficiency for long-term ownership.

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4 supported 1 partly supported 2 contradicted 10 not checkable as stated how the 17 claims stand · each chip opens the sources

2 predictions · 15 assertions · 2 opinions · 5 insights · 7 disclosures · 2 what ifs · every statement was checked. The predictions and assertions are the 17 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 7 are resolved, and 10 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

The record, in short

What the tape says about how Luca argues and how the claims held up. Everything they said, and everything said about them, is in the tabs below.

Their most notable supported claim

Assertion Supported
No shareholders in Bending Spoons have liquidation preferences
“All our share owners, myself, our institutional investors, our colleagues who got equity through their working at the company, nobody has any liquidation preferences, so we're all on equal terms economically.”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 54:04 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings

Their most notable contradicted claim

Assertion Contradicted
Bending Spoons pays identical salaries regardless of an employee's geographic location
“Currently we have the same salaries regardless of where you are.”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 46:15 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings

Expressed certainty vs assessment result

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70% certainty 4
50% certainty 5

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Argument clarity: do they answer the question? how? →

4.3 / 5 directness 4.6 · coherence 4.7 · precision 4 · compression 3.8

redirected or did not address 1 of 43 assessed questions (2%). Watch them ▸

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How they sound: speaking style how? →

247 words/min while actually speaking · 32.9 um and uh per 1k words · 19.1 false starts per 1k · 37.5% of pauses land inside a clause

English is their second language (first language: Italian). These numbers measure fluency in English. They do not measure thought; the argument clarity score above is read from substance alone.

Measured by listening to the audio itself: 9,050 words across 1 episode of raw-level tape, transcribed verbatim with every um and uh kept, each one attributed only where the alignment onto our timed stream is unambiguous. These are measurements of speaking style. We do not rank them: across this corpus, fluency and argument quality are nearly uncorrelated (ρ≈0.2), and smooth talking does not signal clear thinking. How it's measured →

Everything Luca Ferrari said on 20VC that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Prediction Not checkable as stated
Ferrari predicts AI will eliminate far more jobs than it creates
“But I will say, maybe, no, I don't, it doesn't qualify as advice, but the opinion I hear most often that I think is really poorly informed and poorly thought out is that Artificial intelligence will create more jobs than it will eliminate. I believe, and again…”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 58:47 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Bending Spoons hires almost entirely for talent and motivation, disregarding experience
“In our case, we chose to focus on talent and motivation almost entirely disregarding experience.”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 41:22 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Contradicted
Bending Spoons pays identical salaries regardless of an employee's geographic location
“Currently we have the same salaries regardless of where you are.”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 46:15 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
No shareholders in Bending Spoons have liquidation preferences
“All our share owners, myself, our institutional investors, our colleagues who got equity through their working at the company, nobody has any liquidation preferences, so we're all on equal terms economically.”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 54:04 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Bending Spoons acquires companies post-product-market fit to optimize them
“We let others seek market fit, and then we, if they will sell it to us, we will acquire their company and try to make it even better than they have made it up to that point.”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 0:08 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Ferrari believes Apple Arcade has not been a great success
“I think Arcade is not a great success either.”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 19:26 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Ferrari claims Evernote usage equals or exceeds that of cooler apps
“Sometimes people have characterized Evernote as you said, kind of on a decline, and it can be true in some ways, but it's still as used or more used than a lot other Brands that people think are more successful or cooler.”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 22:01 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Bending Spoons has never lost a competitive acquisition bidding process
“Historically we have never lost a process. Meaning every single time there was willingness to sell, And we had a chance to bid, because sometimes you don't get to know about the opportunity and you only hear about it after the deal is done. Every single time T…”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 24:59 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Cross-promoting users across Bending Spoons' app portfolio yields zero value
“No, not a factor. No, at least maybe it's because we have failed to leverage it, but in our case, no, no value coming from that.”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 30:10 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
What-if
Lazy due diligence caused Bending Spoons to misjudge an acquired app's growth
“Had we done our homework more thoroughly, I think we would have spotted that some of the underlying factors were waning and dropping quickly, and that consequently the rate of user acquisition was likely to shrink faster than we had anticipated.”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 34:29 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Optimizing for experience, talent, and motivation simultaneously degrades hiring quality
“It's a trade-off when you hire people. You can say, I want to hire for experience, talent, motivation. You can, but you're gonna do worse at any one of these than if you focused on just one or two.”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 41:10 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Ferrari believes Bending Spoons and 99% of businesses make no positive difference
“I don't think we make a very positive difference nor do 99% of the businesses, as far as I can tell”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 1:01:29 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Bending Spoons completely rewrites codebases and redesigns UX of acquired products
“In our case, we are incredibly hands-on, so unlike a private equity, we generally rewrite the whole software, or at least the most critical parts of the code base. We completely change the IT architecture, we redesign the user experience and the user interface…”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 14:39 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
Bending Spoons acquires growing, flat, or declining assets, not just distressed
“By the way, we don't acquire I don't necessarily acquire distressed assets. I know that people, some people have characterized it that way after Evernote, because Evernote, some people thought would qualify as such, but we have acquired a lot of products that …”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 15:55 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Bending Spoons manages all cash and talent centrally at the TopCo level
“The, yeah, the cash is managed at the top company level. Yes. Not just that all resources also, or our team team members and, you know, we were very fluid in that regard.”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 16:38 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Bending Spoons shut down mobile game subscription Playond after investing $7M
“I think we invested six or seven million dollars in it, and we completely eliminated it.”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 17:39 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Bending Spoons acquired Evernote to optimize its product, monetization, and costs
“We thought we could improve the product. Monetize it more efficiently and also run the company more efficiently in terms of costs. So we felt all three levers were offered a little bit of space for improvement.”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 21:17 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Bending Spoons acquires software assets to hold for decades, never selling
“The other big difference is that we acquire to hold forever. We never sell. I won't say it will never happen. It may occasionally, but it's never happened to any of our significant assets. And so we buy to retain for potentially decades.”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 23:16 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
Bending Spoons raised roughly $200M in equity over the past 10 months
“Now, more recently, we have raised more equity roughly two hundred million dollars over the past 10 months.”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 26:52 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Ferrari admits Bending Spoons has never priced an acquisition deal correctly
“There hasn't been a single one we have priced correctly.”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 27:20 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
User acquisition rate is by far the hardest KPI to project accurately
“Of all the important KPIs in determining the success of a product, an internet product at least I would say rate of user acquisition is The hardest to project accurately by a huge margin, at least in our experience and based on what we know today.”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 27:51 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Bending Spoons holds annual retrospectives on past acquisition mistakes
“Every year or so, we try to spend an hour reminiscing that particular situation, like a repeated retrospective. We have dissect, dissected our mistakes, ad nauseum, so it's not that we're gonna learn anything new, but I think it's healthy to remind yourself ju…”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 35:04 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
What-if
Ferrari regrets not raising capital earlier to pursue more aggressive growth
“I feel I am too concerned, scared even of disappointing others, colleagues, investors, and as such, I believe we have waited a little bit too long to raise capital. We've waited a little bit too long to push on the You know, on the accelerator to implement our…”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 35:46 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Enduring startup failure together is the best proof of co-founder strength
“And the relationship didn't fracture, but actually got stronger in those lowest moments. And that is the best proof that you have something to build upon.”
Luca Ferrari Mar 15, 2024 ▶ 50:43 Luca Ferrari: Scaling to 500M Downloads, $360M in Reported 2023 Sales and a $2.55BN Valuation |E1127 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings

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Statements about Luca Ferrari, by other people (1)

Opinion
Singlehurst: Bending Spoons achieved high profitability by avoiding overcapitalization
“I think that's an amazing example of this company that was largely bootstrapped Has created the most amazing scalable business model profitability like most companies would give an arm for. And they did it by sort of circumventing that, that world of over capi…”
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