Aug 24, 2018 · 29m · 20vc
20VC: Lessons From Scaling Trulia to IPO, How To Maximise Your Impact within Your Organisation and Why No One Is Ever 100% Ready For The Next Job with Heather Fernandez, Founder @ CEO @ Solv
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In this episode of The 20VC, host Harry Stebbings interviews Heather Fernandez, co-founder and CEO of Solv, exploring operational insights from scaling Trulia to acquisition, strategies for building high-trust organizational cultures, and practical advice on career advancement and marketplace dynamics.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Harry holds 35% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Harry as informed peer 2.9 Guest teaching 3.4 Guest disagreement 1.1 Harry pushing back 0.9
speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 26:01 Dismissing anti-multitasking wisdom
Heather forcefully dismisses the common advice that multitasking is ineffective, humorously noting it was clearly written by someone without her combined responsibilities as a CEO, board member, and mother of three.
Hardest push from Harry ▶ 6:51 Challenging executive retention assumptionsHarry pushes back on the guest's long executive tenure by citing alternative viewpoints from past podcast guests who advocate replacing management teams every three years.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 20:58 Core action metric vs cheap user growthHeather educates the host on capital allocation by breaking down Sarah Tavel's framework, explaining why startups should measure completion of core value-creating actions rather than cheap top-line user growth.
Harry holds his own ▶ 14:04 Citing TaskRabbit's marketplace dynamicsHarry demonstrates domain expertise by citing specific operational observations from TaskRabbit's CEO regarding inherent friction and dissatisfaction across two-sided marketplaces.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Harry as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Harry pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Heather Fernandez's Career Path and Founding Solv | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Harry sets up standard background questions about Heather's career path and time at Trulia. Heather shares anecdotes about Sami Inkanen's intense training regimen inspiring her confidence as a pregnant executive. | |
| Scaling Trulia and Management Team Evolution | 3 | 4 | 2 | 3 | Harry challenges the idea that management teams can persist long-term, citing guests who claim teams must be swapped every three years. Heather gently dismisses blanket statements and explains operational culture and constructive candor at Solv. | |
| Navigating Marketplace Metrics and Conviction at Solv | 4 | 3 | 1 | 2 | Harry cites ThredUp founder James on stubbornness in marketplaces and probes into specific metric prioritization. Heather clarifies why early-stage metrics can be misleading and outlines tracking supply volume and booking core actions. | |
| Managing Trade-offs and Tension in Two-Sided Marketplaces | 4 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Harry cites TaskRabbit leadership on marketplace tension and brings up an insider story from Pete Flint about Heather stepping into an executive role. Heather shares valuable perspective on managing trade-offs and demystifying executive readiness. | |
| Hiring Frameworks Across Stages of Company Growth | 2 | 4 | 1 | 0 | Harry asks for stage-by-stage hiring advice. Heather breaks down a 0-10, 10-50, and 50-100 employee hiring framework and shares an example of assessing true candidate motivation. | |
| Knowing When to Double Down and Scale Capital | 3 | 4 | 0 | 0 | Harry asks when to scale capital and how to manage board relationships. Heather details Sarah Tavel's core action framework and explains the value of board transparency. | |
| Quick Fire Round with Heather Fernandez | 2 | 3 | 3 | 0 | In a rapid-fire round, Heather rejects common advice against multitasking with humorous conviction, citing her experience as a mother, CEO, and board member. |
Statements from this episode (19)
Fernandez was the first woman to become pregnant at Trulia
“When I started at Trulia, like everyone else, except for maybe one person, we were young, either recently married or single, and I was the first woman to be pregnant at Trulia.”
Fernandez: Trulia reached 50M uniques and $250M revenue before Zillow acquisition
“When I first started at Trulia, there were roughly a dozen people in the room, you know, nearly zero dollars in revenue, a couple thousands of visits to the site, and when I left over that time span, after our IPO and sale to Zillow, we were at roughly fifty m…”
Fernandez: Amy Bohutinsky scaled from PR lead to Zillow COO
“Amy Butinsky started as the woman in charge of PR, went on to become the CMO of Zillow, and then now is the COO of the Zillow Group.”
Fernandez: 80% of organizational drama stems from ineffective communication
“80% of the drama in any relationship has to do with the ability to effectively or ineffectively communicate, right, and the misunderstanding that happen when you aren't able to effectively communicate.”
Fernandez: Startups should not copy other companies' cultural value statements
“Oftentimes startups, when they're looking to build their value statement or their cultures, they'll start by looking up what other startups do, and I think that's exactly the wrong thing to do.”
Fernandez: Diverse teams require intentional culture building beyond spontaneous drinks
“There is a reality when you're building a more diverse company with parents or athletes or people with interests outside of work that you need to be more intentional.”
Fernandez: Early-stage startups lack the traffic required for effective A/B testing
“There's this narrative that a company should come in and beta test everything and AB test everything. Let me tell you something. It's a lot better. You are at millions of visits per month or fifty million per month versus when you only have five or 10 or 20 or…”
Fernandez: Two-sided marketplaces always face supply or demand frustration
“I think it is true that there will always be frustration on some side of your marketplace.”
Fernandez: Consumer transparency in real estate marketplaces ultimately benefits supply-side agents
“So if you take the Trulia and Zillow use case, ultimately what we realize as a company is that if we were helping consumers make better decisions or shining a light in the darkness, as they would say at Zillow, in terms of the consumer, that ultimately that wo…”
Fernandez: Marketplace success requires internal leadership to balance supply and demand
“And I actually think that it's ensuring that you've got the right leadership internally, understanding what are the core priorities of each side of your marketplace, and then fighting those battles internally so that you have the requisite balance, I think is …”
Fernandez: Senior executives are assigned false competence and figure things out iteratively
“The reality is people who are in these roles start by not knowing what the hell they're doing, right? And they figure it out piece by piece. And oftentimes, even though they've been doing jobs for a long time, they still don't know what the hell they're doing.…”
Fernandez: No one is ever 100% ready for a new role, so take the leap
“Know that you're never going to be a hundred percent ready, but neither is the other guy. So just take a leap.”
Fernandez: Startups need distinct hiring personas for 0-10, 10-50, and 50-100 employees
“In general, there's a framework that I use, which I think is helpful when you think about certainly the early stages of the first hundred people at a company, you know, so the first zero to 10 people, you know, those are your creators. So self-directed, oftent…”
Fernandez: Premature spending is a top pitfall for venture-backed startups
“I think this is one of the biggest challenges for a startup, and especially those that have raised, is spending too soon.”
Fernandez: Protecting yourself from board members prevents effective board utilization
“I will say, number one, how valuable it is to have honesty and transparency. There's a lot of talk of protecting yourself against your board and investors in startup circles, and I 100% understand where this comes from, but I think the reality is that this oft…”
Fernandez: Atlassian co-CEOs explicitly ask board members to challenge them
“So taking Mike and Scott as an example, they're incredibly humble and transparent with their board, clearly outlining their perspective, asking us to directly challenge them across core issues facing the company.”
Fernandez: Trust equals credibility, reliability, and accessibility divided by self-interest
“This one is the trust equation. I think about it often when it comes to managing my own team, managing conflict within different organizations, or frankly talking to customer groups. And the trust equation is trust equals credibility plus reliability. Plus acc…”
Fernandez: Eliminating regret is the single best productivity hack
“My biggest productivity hack is I have no regrets. People spend an inordinate amount of Time. Regretting that something wasn't done in a certain way, or rehashing a bad situation over and over again, and so my hack is I use all of that time, and I focus on doi…”
Fernandez: Advice that multitasking is ineffective ignores working parents and executives
“The one that causes me to roll my eyes the most profoundly is that multitasking is ineffective, clearly written by someone who is not a mother of three kids, a CEO of a company, and sitting on the board of Atlassian.”