Jul 27, 2016 · 29m · 20vc
20VC: Mythbuster: Is Mobile Dying? Is AR/VR Overhyped? Is The Excitement Around Bots Justified with Sean Flynn, Partner @ Shasta Ventures
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In this episode of The 20 Minute VC, Shasta Ventures Partner Sean Flynn joins host Harry Stebbings to unpack prevailing tech industry myths around mobile viability, AR/VR timing, conversational bots, and voice interfaces while sharing key early-stage investment principles.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Harry holds 24.3% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Harry as informed peer 4.0 Guest teaching 4.0 Guest disagreement 1.3 Harry pushing back 2.3
speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 17:54 Sean rejects premise on bot business models
Sean dismisses Harry's focus on bot monetization, asserting that discussing business models is premature before basic product utility is established.
Hardest push from Harry ▶ 17:35 Harry challenges bot monetization viabilityHarry refuses to accept generic bot hype, directly pressing Sean on how bot startups can survive on flimsy affiliate business models.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 10:11 Sean breaks down venture fund math and market rulesSean educates Harry on how power-law return requirements force VCs to focus on giant markets unless extraordinary founder tenacity warrants an exception.
Harry holds his own ▶ 14:48 Harry cites USV's Albert Wenger on deployment phasesHarry demonstrates deep venture domain knowledge by citing Albert Wenger's installation versus deployment framework to test Sean's timing on AR/VR investments.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Harry as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Harry pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sean Flynn's Career Path from Wall Street to Yahoo and Shasta Ventures | 2 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Harry asks standard career history and takeaway questions as Sean outlines his transition from Morgan Stanley to Yahoo and Shasta Ventures. Sean shares key lessons around passion and focus learned during Yahoo's stagnation period. | |
| Evaluating Team vs. Product and Assessing Market Size Requirements | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2 | Harry prompts a debate on team versus product priority and steps off-script to question strict VC market size requirements. Sean outlines portfolio return dynamics and explains why Shasta occasionally waives market size filters for tenacious founders. | |
| Myth Buster: Evaluating the Viability of Mobile Platforms | 5 | 4 | 2 | 2 | Harry demonstrates industry familiarity by citing Ben Evans' famous presentation framing the smartphone as the center of tech. Sean counters the 'mobile is dying' meme by pointing out that consensus shifts like lemmings while highlighting enduring sectors like health and fintech. | |
| Myth Buster: AR/VR Expectations and Deployment Phase Opportunities | 6 | 4 | 1 | 3 | Harry displays host expertise by introducing Albert Wenger's thesis on installation versus deployment phases for emerging platforms. Sean agrees with the framework and illustrates deployment phase value creation using historical GPS and Uber examples. | |
| Myth Buster: The Hype Around Conversational Bots and Messaging Platforms | 6 | 5 | 3 | 6 | Harry actively challenges bot ecosystem hype, arguing that reliance on affiliate revenue models renders most bot ventures unsustainable. Sean rejects discussing monetization before utility is proven, but Harry immediately follows up to demand specific high-value use cases. | |
| The Evolution and Potential of Voice Interaction Interfaces | 4 | 5 | 1 | 2 | Harry asserts that Siri is widely considered a failure, prompting a discussion on voice interface limitations. Sean breaks down how ambient context separates successful hardware like Amazon Echo from mobile voice assistants. | |
| Quick Fire Round: VC Insights, Favorite Media, and Recent Investments | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Harry conducts a standard quick-fire question round covering VC lessons, book recommendations, partner hiring, and favorite blogs. Sean details Shasta's investment thesis behind consumer fintech platform Tally. |
Statements from this episode (12)
Flynn: A Nine-to-Five Work Mentality Rarely Yields Greatness
“The first is, if you're just showing up to work, and your career is a nine-to-five activity, you're very unlikely to do something great. You're very unlikely to do something special.”
Flynn: Startups Must Excel in One Area Before Expanding
“But until you've got product market fit, until you're excellent in one area, really nail that first before trying to expand beyond that.”
Flynn: Marketing and sales cannot fix core product deficiencies
“In my view, it's not, it doesn't really matter how great you are in marketing, at sales, at BD. You know, being great in those areas obviously is important, but can't make up for deficiencies as it relates to, you know, the core product experience that you're …”
Flynn: Tech and VC investors follow market sentiment like lemmings
“You know, it's interesting in the venture world and the technology world the pendulum can swing fast and people tend to follow oftentimes like Lemmings.”
Flynn: Pokémon Go proves massive mobile opportunities remain
“I think all you have to do is look at the success of what Pokemon Go has had literally over the last week to realize, hey, there's still massive opportunities to deliver magical experiences to end users by leveraging these devices.”
Flynn: AR/VR apps need time before building substantial businesses
“And it'll probably be some time before those applications really emerge. There'll be some time before you get enough of an installed base to build you know, big enough business. There'll be some time before those enabling technologies mature and harden such th…”
Flynn: Largest AR/VR returns will come in deployment phase
“I think ultimately that's where the really big wins will come in the longterm. Absolutely. Yeah.”
Flynn: Conversational bot hype serves platform defensibility over user value
“I think this one is probably more hype than reality, at least at this stage. It makes a ton of sense why the big messaging platforms, Facebook, Kik, and others would want to, you know, turn their ecosystem into a development platform, right? I totally get why …”
Flynn: Messaging platforms suit peer communication over single-player utility tasks
“The one use case that I find more compelling, at least in the near term, is around these applications that are really native to the communication experience, right? It's not booking a taxi or booking an Uber that I think is native to that experience, but it's …”
Flynn: Major tech providers will adopt voice to extend their brands
“Ultimately, I don't think it's going to be just these unique applications for voice, but I think, you know, many of the large technology providers today that are on mobile, that are on the web will want to use voice as a way to extend their brand with their cu…”