Mar 3, 2023 · 1h 11m · news
Ring CEO Jamie Siminoff: The $1BN Amazon Acquisition; How Richard Branson Invested | 20VC #984 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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In this episode of 20VC, Ring founder Jamie Siminoff shares an raw, unfiltered look at the grueling journey of building Ring, detailing early grassroots hustles, harrowing financial crises, and the strategic mission-driven philosophy that secured an investment from Richard Branson and culminated in a historic $1 billion acquisition by Amazon.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Harry holds 21.9% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Harry as informed peer 3.8 Guest teaching 4.0 Guest disagreement 2.9 Harry pushing back 2.7
speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 33:50 Jamie flips VC evaluation back on Harry
Jamie directly rejects Harry's VC pushback by declaring that he meets 50 VCs a week and actively screens them out if they fail his mission test.
Hardest push from Harry ▶ 33:09 Harry pushes back on mission pitches vs salesHarry forcefully interrupts Jamie to defend VC practicalities, challenging Jamie on how investors reviewing 30 deals a week can prioritize vague mission pitches over actual sales.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 25:02 Jamie educates Harry on direct customer ground truthJamie forcefully reframes Harry's question about customer surveys, educating him that surveys provide useless metrics and that listening directly to real customer complaints is the only true ground truth.
Harry holds his own ▶ 33:09 Harry challenges founder idealism with real VC numbersHarry draws heavily on his real-world experience as an active venture investor to challenge Jamie's triple-deck strategy, highlighting the high volume and practical constraints VCs face.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Harry as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Harry pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| The Garage Hack and the Iterative 'Aha' Moment | 2 | 3 | 2 | 1 | Harry opens with standard interview prompts regarding Jamie's 'aha moment' and childhood history. Jamie gently corrects the premise of a single Eureka moment, explaining that Ring was an iterative, slow-burn hack in his garage. | |
| Richard Branson's Investment and the Power of Mission Alignment | 2 | 4 | 2 | 1 | Harry asks about the value of celebrity investors like Richard Branson. Jamie reframes the question, explaining that famous investors do not magically send customers and that success relies on mission alignment and executing a thousand smaller details. | |
| Dirt Under Your Fingernails and Extreme Obsession | 3 | 3 | 3 | 2 | Jamie explains his preference for hiring 'marathoners' who possess extreme grit. Harry shares that he ran a marathon an hour before the interview, prompting Jamie to playfully joke that Harry might be taking obsession a bit too far. | |
| Near-Death Experiences and Cash Flow Crises | 3 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Harry invites Jamie to share near-death business stories. Jamie details a severe cash crunch where a pulled $100M round left Ring tens of millions in debt to factories, which was survived through team unity and a record-breaking QVC sales push. | |
| The Challenges of Scale and the Definition of Brand | 3 | 3 | 1 | 2 | Harry asks Jamie to distinguish between brand and storytelling. Jamie defines true brand as immediate customer trust at the point of sale and authentic alignment with a company's North Star. | |
| The 'Ground Truth' of CEO Accessibility | 3 | 5 | 5 | 3 | Jamie forcefully dismisses customer surveys as useless metrics, passionately insisting that founders must directly listen to customer feedback. Harry asks how this scales, prompting Jamie to firmly reject unscalable excuses. | |
| Mission-Led Roadmap and Competing with Google | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1 | Harry brings up the intense competitive threat posed by Tony Fadell, Nest, and Google. Jamie describes how an uncompromising, boat-burning belief in Ring's mission allowed a small Santa Monica team to compete against tech giants. | |
| The 'Triple Deck' Pitch and the Mission Test | 7 | 6 | 6 | 8 | When Jamie describes using a triple-deck pitch to screen out VCs who do not prioritize mission, Harry forcefully pushes back from a VC perspective about needing to see financial sales. Jamie immediately counters by stating he interviews investors just as aggressively as they evaluate founders. | |
| Artificial Constraints and the Amazon Acquisition | 6 | 4 | 3 | 5 | Harry quotes Brian Armstrong on inserting risk and asks DFJ investor questions regarding why Jamie sold Ring to Amazon instead of holding out for a higher valuation. Jamie explains the intense emotional toll of having almost lost the business 45 days earlier. | |
| Abyss Mentality, Hitting Refresh, and the Power of Fear | 4 | 4 | 3 | 3 | Harry questions whether fear leads to leadership paralysis. Jamie clarifies that while he operates out of fear rather than pure self-confidence, he uses that anxiety as fuel for over-execution. | |
| Successful Integration and the Leverage of Trust | 5 | 5 | 3 | 4 | Harry cites M&A failure stats and admits his own flaw with trusting team members. Jamie reframes Harry's distrust, advising that taking calculated risks on people is the only way to achieve organizational leverage. | |
| Stepping Aside: Chief Inventor and Legacy Fatherhood | 2 | 3 | 2 | 1 | Jamie announces he is stepping down as Ring CEO to become Chief Inventor. He reflects on managing the transition thoughtfully with Amazon leadership and shares his personal philosophy on fatherhood. | |
| Marriage Balance, Quick-Fire Q&A, and the Future of Venture | 5 | 5 | 5 | 3 | During the quick-fire segment, Jamie delivers a sharp critique of the venture capital industry, arguing that VCs 'over-watered the grapes' by flooding startups with too much capital and creating toxic founder incentives. |
Statements from this episode (18)
Jamie Siminoff Personally Flew to Install Ring Doorbells on Influencers' Homes
“I was trying to, like, get influencers on rings, so I was, like, literally, I was flying around and setting them up on people's homes”
Siminoff: Richard Branson's Investment Did Not Automatically Bring Ring Customers
“I think mostly people want to put a square peg in a round hole. So they want like Richard Branson invested and they like step back and like wait for the customers to come in. And like, that's not gonna happen. Richard Branson doing a blog post saying, I invest…”
Stebbings: Most 20VC Portfolio Companies Have Cash Runway Through Mid-2025
“Most of my companies still have money till mid-twenty-five.”
Siminoff Ordered $500M in Ring Inventory on Just $100M in Revenue
“Imagine like we went 3,000,030 1,000,001 70, To almost 500. So when we went from, like, one 70 to 500, I had to order, like, five hundred million dollars of inventory when we were, like, a hundred million dollar business.”
Ring's $100M Funding Round Was Pulled Days Before Closing Over Lawsuit
“We have a round happening, and I get sued by someone who's very large in the business, They get an injunction against the product on me, which, you know, I will not comment on either way. We're, the investor decides, and you know, fair is fair, like a little t…”
Ring Hit -$70M Cash Shortfall by Withholding Payments to Factory Suppliers
“We probably went -50 to seventy million at one point. But that's just because we just didn't pay the factories.”
Ring Broke QVC's Single-Day Sales Record With $22.6M in One Day
“We broke the record for QVC for the year for sales in a day 22.6 million dollars in a day.”
Ring Signed Amazon Acquisition Term Sheet on January 1, 2018
“That was going into the holidays of 2017. We signed the term sheet with Amazon on January first of 2018. So literally like, it was like a, from solving this to selling to Amazon was like 45 days.”
Siminoff: VC Safety Nets Disappear When Scaling Past 170 Employees
“One 70 to 500, like, they took away the, you know, you're on the tightrope, and all of a sudden you look down, and they're, like, pulling the mats away, like, the safety net is being pulled away, because, and when we did, like, when we had that issue come up, …”
Siminoff: Printing My Personal Email on Ring Boxes Actually Scaled
“Putting the email in the box is the one thing that actually did scale at Ring.”
Siminoff: Customer Surveys Are Useless Because They Hide Actionable Product Signals
“I hate surveys by the way, I like, literally, I, in my gut, I hate them. Is like, because they don't tell you anything, they tell like, 95% of people are happy.”
Siminoff Rejected a Prominent VC Firm for Ignoring Ring's Mission
“Very prominent VC. We sell comes to me and says like, when you pitched me, you totally screwed up. We never saw how good the business was. We totally would have invested. And I said, no, I was interviewing you. And you didn't pass the mission test.”
Siminoff: Selling to Amazon or IPO Were Ring's Only Acceptable Exits
“I told my investors, I told Amazon, I was either going to go public or sell to Amazon. Those are my two options. And it was because the only company that I felt would really take the mission Take it and allow us to keep executing on it and stay true to it was …”
Siminoff: Founders Should Risk Repeated Betrayal to Find Exceptional Talent
“I'd rather keep getting hurt and find a few great people than never be with great people.”
Jeff Bezos Emailed Siminoff Post-Acquisition: "Don't Let Us Mess It Up"
“First email I got the day it closed, you know, came from Jeff and said, like, don't let us, you know, mess, mess it up. You know, you, like, you know, like you are in control.”
Siminoff: Amazon Respects Its Acquisitions More Than Any Other Corporate Buyer
“Amazon's had a lot of acquisitions that have been successful, maybe more than anyone. And I think the one thing I would say is that they respect the companies they buy.”
Siminoff Receives Only 10 to 20 Customer Emails Daily Despite Box Placement
“Not that many, like probably 10 to 20 from neighbors.”
Siminoff: VC Overfunding Harmed Entrepreneurs by Pushing Them Toward Wrong Goals
“It over watered the grapes and that was an unfair thing to do to entrepreneurs. It actually hurt the entrepreneurs. It gave too much money to too many people too fast and the wrong goals. And it led people who are great people into the wrong places that it rea…”