Windsurf

“The cursors and all that stuff, like you can easily switch to like windsurf and you can switch to this and you can go back to copilot and like, so that revenue could disappear. This is a brand new phenomenon and we do not know how it plays out.”

“If they don't do if they don't do Winsurf now, the line of other coding apps outside the OpenAI office is going to go around the frickin' block. And at some point, someone's gonna buy something.”

“I'm not convinced this deal will happen. I think windsurf is pretty epic. I think that Faroon's a great CEO, but we don't know, right? We don't know if it'll happen. Maybe Harry, you're, you are closer to the pulse of anything on planet Earth. So you may know,…”

“I mean, I know Cursor almost died, right? Bolt almost died, right? And then finally it hit for Cursor. I don't know the whole story of Windsurf. Even Windsurf was Codium before it, right? It wasn't even the same, like everyone talks about Windsurf. 90 days ago…”

“Having tiers of pricing where you get lots of people using the base product and then escalating steps of value as you deliver more value probably is the simplified version of quote unquote value pricing in much the same way as open AI has 2202 thousand. Right.…”

“I know windsurf's a hundred percent in the office.”

“When green Oaks doubled down on windsurf, it was codium, which essentially the company abandoned three months ago. Every, every engineer was repurposed to build a better version of cursor called windsurf.”

“It's one percent of the market cap to play In one of the largest use cases for AI and one that, you know, the core constituency of developers loves. It just makes total sense for open AI.”

“Every CI CEO I know that's at growth scale has that isn't windsurf has some version of a hiring freeze going on, right? Even no matter unless the growth is insane and it's all you can hire, but you got to get rid of somebody, right? It's all AI first. And so i…”

“If you were the developer behemoth, which was Microsoft, the fact that you have to do this now to remain relevant at a zoom out level, This is a sign of relative weakness, not absolute weakness.”

“And then two, I think it kind of boils down to what does it mean if you're first, that means you get to learn from the market faster. And that means you're first to the next idea too. Because you see where all the dead bodies are in your category.”

“When you have a new great idea, even the crappy version of that idea is already amazing. Like, it already proved something amazing”

“I don't think we're anywhere near the point in which you're going to have someone who's the defining leader of having a great model and no one else can touch it for years, right?”

“What are going to be done asynchronously remotely are things that where the task is so easy. That it can actually get it done properly. Like the complex tasks are still going to get done in windsurf in the short term, right?”

“Part of the reason why we, the product experience wasn't as good actually was because we were stuck in VS code. And VS code didn't give us the UI capability to make the product much better.”

“If we had shipped the same quality product that some of these hyperscalers have shipped, we'd be out of the market a year ago, but they probably still have their jobs right now.”

“As the technology gets better and better, people that are technical adjacent are going to be using Windsurf as well. And we're already seeing this, by the way, at some of the companies.”

“One of the weird things about startups is that you don't win an award for doing the same wrong thing for longer.”

“I think with time, they're going to need to build out more and more tunables, more and more ways to configure the product with time. But I think for us, if we can deeply understand code, like large code bases, it'll naturally follow that with very little effor…”

“I don't think it would affect, affect much if we had to make it open source, because most of the work that it's kind of like the thing I said before, right? You know, Google is, yeah, they have a front end, but the front end is just a single box. And if they o…”

“I still beat myself over the head on why did we not pivot from the GPU virtualization to the code AI company three months earlier? I think we had the signals, but we waited until the companies we were working with were starting to go belly up before we actuall…”

“So I think we're focused on the former. We're focused on the former and a consequence of that is the latter, right? Because the technology underneath is capable of doing that, but the focus is definitely the former.”

“Before we hired our VP of sales who was really awesome. We actually closed some very large enterprises inside the company without any salespeople, some very large enterprise.”

“Despite the fact that we had, we were making a couple million in revenue off the previous business.”

“We're an in-person company actually right now. Yeah, we're like a hundred percent in-person company.”

“Internally at our company, we have someone who's a non-developer who leads partnerships that has used our product and built apps to replace a lot of sales tool spend, like over 500,000 dollars of sales tool spend internally.”

“Internally right now, when we build apps, we're not very, very quickly going to Figma at the very beginning if the app can be built Very fast inside.”

“And now it processes hundreds of billions of tokens of code a day, that single model. And it's running on our own GPUs.”

“Probably 50% of the things that we try inside the company or more actually fail.”

“Probably of our total amount, it's like over 50% is, is, is actually enterprise.”

“We've moved from, you know, GitHub Copilot, which is an auto-complete system, to Cursor, and now things like Windsurf, where, I mean, nearly all of the code is, is written by AI, and the adoption rate within engineering for us is, You know, close to a hundred …”

“It was an amazing outcome for Green Oaks, and then increasingly less interesting thereafter.”

“The memo that Cognition sent to his employees was that they're buying an eighty-two million dollar AR business, ok?”

“Stupendously good optics plus eighty two million of revenue plus a hundred million in cash plus great injury. They win.”

“The round, the first round that Kleiner did was at four 50, probably 500 post, so four X plus or minus.”

“Their numbers, they published or the whisper numbers were roughly accurate by twelve million at the end of last year to a hundred million by April.”

“If open AI was buying for three billion and Google buying everything for three billion and Google pleasingly is buying everything except the revenue on a hundred million bucks for 2.6 billion. Implicitly it's valuing the revenue and the hundred million and the…”

“If I could invest in Replit or Lovable at two billion compared to Windsurf, it seems like a much better deal. Like, I think it's, I think it seems cheap.”

“Windsurf was hopeless before this deal.”

“It's worth remembering that they were about to raise money at three billion pre. Three months ago, which would have been a down outcome.”

“This could be better than it literally in 90 days windsurf could be better than it was before this deal. It is entirely possible. It could be a better company than it was before this deal.”

“The TAM really is much bigger than cursor. It's much bigger than cursor or windsurf. It could be like 50 or a hundred times bigger.”

“Yeah, look, I don't want to get into exact numbers, but even with the windsurf deal aside, like not including that at all, we are basically, we've done roughly that as well in the last six to eight months.”

“Get, get to a verbal agreement on Saturday, hash out all the details and the terms and the legal on Sunday, get everything signed and done on Monday morning.”

“We reached out cold Friday evening and our first conversation was Friday night.”

“We found out, honestly, on Friday, the same time everyone else did, that all of this was happening, and that this was the split, and that it was Google”

“Windsurf without Claude was dead. That's why he had to find a deal that night, that weekend when OpenAI died.”

“In, in six months, if these are rappers, more, a new windsurf is going to emerge. It's just an IDE on top of the same models, right?”

“Well, I guess today, Cognition laid off 30% of the folks they bought, and they offered to buy out all the other 200 employees. They gave them a nine-month package. They told them they either had to work 80 hours a week, six days a week in the office, or they s…”

“We actually, in both of those cases, that's a pure pretense to get the government off of us, right? Everyone knows both of these companies are toast because in the case of Scale AI, in theory, Meta owns 50% of it, and in theory, their business is selling to ev…”