synthetic data

13 statements across 12 episodes · 4 bullish · 5 bearish · 12 people on the record · first statement Dec 6, 2017 by Jake Flomenberg · across every show →

Everything said about synthetic data, oldest first

Dec 6, 2017 neutral
Insight
Flomenberg: Synthetic data gets self-driving cars 99.9% there but misses edge cases
“In the instance of self-driving cars, It could make a lot of sense, and I think it can get you 99.9% of the way there, but the question is, how fully reflective is the underlying data set of the real world, and in the instance where it's not 100% fully reflect…”
Jake Flomenberg Dec 6, 2017 ▶ 14:36 20VC: The Value Chain of Machine Learning, Is There Really An Incumbency Advantage in ML & Will The Rise In Cyber Remain For the Long Term with Jake Flomenberg, Partner @ Accel
Aug 26, 2019 negative
Insight
Vernal: Synthetic data cannot resolve extreme edge cases in autonomous driving
“The hard part of driving a car autonomously is the edge cases that live beyond 99.99, and I think those ones are just hard to imagine, let alone generate synthetically.”
Mike Vernal Aug 26, 2019 ▶ 21:06 20VC: Sequoia's Mike Vernal on His Biggest Lessons From 8 Years of Hyper-Growth at Facebook, Why The Strength of Data Moats Is Over-Rated Today and The Challenge of "Overthinking Investments" In Venture
Sep 6, 2019 bearish
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Alex Wang: Synthetic data is nowhere close to impacting machine learning progress
“It hasn't really worked in practice in most situations, particularly when it comes to visual data or even textual data. It really hasn't worked, and a lot of the reasons why it's sort of limited in terms of its overall impact is that at the end of the day, whe…”
Alex Wang Sep 6, 2019 ▶ 14:00 20VC: Scale Founder Alex Wang on How To Hire Incredible Talent Before You Are A Hot Company, Why Beating Competition Is Not As Clear Cut As Investors Believe & Why AI Is Under-Hyped Today In Terms of Total Impact
Jun 24, 2024 neutral
Insight
Luan: AI model progress is pivoting to synthetic data and reinforcement learning
“Now the critical path for model improvement is, is is shifting over to this to this sort of broader sort of simulation slash synthetic data slash like RL loop sort of path. I think it's just a natural consequence of the fact that it's so expensive to just keep…”
David Luan Jun 24, 2024 ▶ 13:30 David Luan: Why Nvidia Will Enter the Model Space & Models Will Enter the Chip Space | E1169 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Aug 19, 2024 neutral
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Gomez: Current LLM API market is dominated by synthetic data generation
“The current LLM API market is dominated by synthetic data.”
Aidan Gomez Aug 19, 2024 ▶ 13:10 Aidan Gomez: What No One Understands About Foundation Models | E1191 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Oct 7, 2024
Insight
Kant: Synthetic data only improves AI when evaluated by an objective oracle
“If you have something that can determine an oracle of truth that can help say, this is better and this is worse, or this is correct and this is wrong, that's when you can actually use synthetic data.”
Eiso Kant Oct 7, 2024 ▶ 13:43 Eiso Kant, CTO @Poolside: Raising $600M To Compete in the Race for AGI | E1211 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Dec 16, 2024 bullish
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Hoffman: LLM scaling is not out of data thanks to synthetic data
“It's like, well, actually, in fact, we can create synthetic data, and there's a ton of data that's out there that's not part of the standard internet training corpus. So, the scale game is still playing.”
Reid Hoffman Dec 16, 2024 ▶ 49:57 Reid Hoffman, LinkedIn & Paypal Founder: Trump Administration, Elon Musk and DOGE | E1239 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Feb 17, 2025 positive
Insight
Ross: LLM-generated synthetic data is better for model training
“You could have an LLM generate synthetic data, and when it generates the synthetic data, the data is better. You then train on that synthetic data.”
Jonathan Ross Feb 17, 2025 ▶ 3:09 Jonathan Ross, Founder & CEO @ Groq: NVIDIA vs Groq - The Future of Training vs Inference | E1260 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Mar 24, 2025 bullish
Prediction Open · timeframe Mar 2030
Feldman: In five years, almost all AI training data will be synthetic
“Almost all synthetic.”
Andrew Feldman Mar 24, 2025 ▶ 30:18 Andrew Feldman, Cerebras Co-Founder and CEO: The AI Chip Wars & The Plan to Break Nvidia's Dominance · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Jul 21, 2025 bullish
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Surge AI CEO: 2,000 human data points beat 10 million synthetic ones
“A lot of them tell us that even a thousand or a couple of thousand pieces of really high quality human data that we generated for them, it's actually been worth more than ten million pieces of synthetic data.”
Edwin Chen Jul 21, 2025 ▶ 50:58 Surge CEO & Co-Founder, Edwin Chen: Scaling to $1BN+ in Revenue with NO Funding · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Jul 21, 2025 negative
Insight
Edwin Chen: Synthetic data makes AI models good at benchmarks, not real problems
“Synthetic data, it's made models good at synthetic problems, not, not real ones.”
Edwin Chen Jul 21, 2025 ▶ 50:42 Surge CEO & Co-Founder, Edwin Chen: Scaling to $1BN+ in Revenue with NO Funding · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Nov 3, 2025 negative
Assertion Supported
Pineau: Synthetic image and language data causes model degradation
“So in some domains, if you think like images, languages, like LLMs talking to each other at some point, you definitely get the degradation and that degradation is due to essentially like a loss of diversity of your data.”
Joelle Pineau Nov 3, 2025 ▶ 37:01 Cohere's Chief AI Officer, Joelle Pineau: Why Scaling Laws Will Continue & Future of Synthetic Data · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Dec 31, 2025 negative
Opinion
Fitzpatrick: Belief that synthetic data replaces human feedback is wrong
“Look, I think the biggest one is just the view that synthetic data will take over, and you just will not need human feedback.”
Matt Fitzpatrick Dec 31, 2025 ▶ 0:39 Matt Fitzpatrick: Who Wins the Data Labelling Race & Why Al Needs Forward-Deployed Engineers · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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