Anthropic's Joseph: Scaling alone likely will not achieve AGI without further paradigm shifts
Nick Joseph · Anthropic Head of Pretraining on Scaling Laws, Compute, and the Future of AI · Y Combinator · Sep 30, 2025 · at 48:15
Nick Joseph, Head of Pre-Training at Anthropic, discusses future challenges and scaling paradigms in AI with Y Combinator's Ankit Gupta.
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“Like I think the sort of shift towards more RL is like one paradigm shift in the field, and I think it's, I think there will probably be more. I think a lot of people sort of argue about like, oh, it's like, you know, current paradigm's enough to get us to EGI, and I'm like, I don't know, maybe. Yeah. Probably, but like, I'm sure there'll be more. It seems like it'd be a really surprising twist if like, the answer is like, you just scale and there's nothing that you realize in the process of going up many orders of magnitude.”
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