Aug 29, 2018 · 57m · y-combinator
Carolynn Levy And Panel (Jon Levy, Jason Kwon) - Startup Legal Mechanics · Y Combinator
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In this Y Combinator Startup School session, Carolynn Levy alongside legal experts Jon Levy and Jason Kwon present essential legal mechanics for early-stage startup founders. The talk covers incorporation, equity splits, vesting schedules, intellectual property protection, and answers critical founder Q&A on tax, hiring, and corporate governance.
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The partners as informed peer 0.4 Guest teaching 0.3 Guest disagreement 0.1 The partners pushing back 0.1
speaking balance: gold is the partners, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 37:43 Jon Levy dismisses part-time startup viability
Jon forcefully rejects the premise of building a venture-scale startup part-time while holding another job, calling it practically impossible.
Hardest push from the partners ▶ 49:09 Jeff adds venture context on B CorpsJeff intervenes to emphasize that venture investors will view B Corporation status askance if the founders aim for high growth.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 25:58 Jason Kwon explains 83(b) tax mechanicsJason walks through the exact mechanics and severe tax consequences of missing the strict 30-day 83(b) election window.
The partners hold their own ▶ 55:20 Jeff clarifies projects versus full-time companiesJeff leverages his experience to explain that while projects can start on the side, real companies require 120 percent full-time commitment.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | The partners as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | The partners pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Presentation Overview | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Carolynn delivers a solo presentation covering corporate formation, choosing Delaware, using online platforms like Clerky and Stripe Atlas, and establishing basic governance. There is no host involvement, conflict, or adversarial dynamic. | |
| Stock Issuance, Equity Split, and Cap Tables | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Carolynn outlines post-incorporation stock issuance, advising equal founder equity splits and four-year vesting schedules. The monologue is purely instructional and educational. | |
| Employment Rules and Invention Assignment | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Carolynn explains at-will employment rules, wage laws, and the critical importance of CIIA and PIIA intellectual property agreements. The segment continues the unmoderated presentation format. | |
| Common Sense Practices for Real Companies | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Carolynn details practical corporate housekeeping including dedicated bank accounts, corporate tax filings, and storing signed formation documents in shared folders. The delivery is collaborative and advice-driven. | |
| Common Mistakes: Incorporation Timing, Structure, and Jobs | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Carolynn explains why founders should incorporate early, avoid LLC structures due to investor friction, and navigate side projects while working a full-time job. There is no pushback or debate. | |
| Common Mistakes: Vesting, Legal Documents, Equity, and Names | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Carolynn concludes her presentation by detailing the necessity of vesting for solo and co-founders, reading legal paperwork, equity compensation, and handling trademark disputes. She wraps up cleanly without friction. | |
| Q&A Panel with Jon Levy and Jason Kwon | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Jon Levy and Jason Kwon join Carolynn for a Q&A session addressing 83(b) elections, visas, international hiring, and advisor equity. Jeff occasionally chimes in with practical investor context, while the panel maintains a collaborative and informative posture. |
Statements from this episode (18)
Levy: Most public companies and investor requirements make Delaware standard
“Most public companies are Delaware companies, so that saves you a little time if you're gonna go public. And some investors actually will require that you're in Delaware before they, before they'll fund you.”
Levy: Basic incorporation platforms cause founders to forget to buy their stock
“One of the reasons why we think, ah, Clerky and Stripe Atlas are so great is because they don't stop after formation. They also have post incorporation documents, and some of the not so good platforms stop after formation, and they don't do post incorporation,…”
Levy: Startup corporate boards do not require an odd number of directors
“There's a misconception that board of directors have to have an odd number of directors, but that is not necessary.”
Levy: Founders should split equity equally rather than reward the original idea
“Do not place too much importance on the founder that had the idea for the business, because all of the hard work is in front of the team, and all of the value is going to be created in the future. If you are all going to be working hard going forward, which yo…”
Levy: Founder equity disputes often signal underlying trust or commitment issues
“If you and your co-founders are having a really hard time coming to a consensus about stock allocation, there may be underlying trust or commitment issues with the team, so you want to pay close attention to that.”
Levy: Founders not paying themselves violates labor law but goes unenforced
“Strictly speaking, it's against the law not to pay yourselves although obviously this isn't a thing that That gets enforced.”
Levy: Startups should avoid formal employment agreements
“Employment agreements are actually are not actually appropriate for startups because employment is at will by default, and the basics of hiring and firing are governed by law anyway. In fact, employment agreements can sometimes complicate things because courts…”
Levy: Having non-founders work for free creates major legal risks
“It's one thing for founders to work for free, but it's significantly riskier for non-founders creating work product and other intellectual property to work for no compensation.”
Levy: Delaware franchise tax is minor for startups when calculated correctly
“If your startup is a Delaware corporation, there is an annual tax you have to pay to that state, but if you calculate it correctly, the tax owed is really minor for startups.”
Levy: The vast majority of angels and VCs will not fund LLCs
“The vast majority of angels and VC firms will not invest in an LLC.”
Levy: Investors avoid funding founders who lack stock vesting
“No investor wants to put money into a company with founders who may decide the next day that they're burned out, so they take their shares and they leave.”
Levy: Founders must read every line of their stock purchase agreement
“You can get away with not reading every word of your bylaws, for example, but you need to understand every provision in your founder stock purchase agreement.”
Levy: Trademark registration is a nice-to-have early on, not essential
“Generally we consider trademark registration to be something that can wait. It's a nice to have, not a need to have in the early days of your startup.”
Levy: Startups should never fight trademark lawsuits or overpay for domain names
“It is a bad decision to waste time getting into a lawsuit with a company that claims you stole its trademark, and it is usually also a bad decision to spend a ton of money on a domain.”
Kwon: 83(b) election filing deadline is strictly 30 calendar days
“And the time period from when the 83 B election, the 30 day period that you have to make the filing, it starts from the day that you actually buy the stock. So that is a hard deadline. It includes calendar days. It's not a business day period. And if you miss …”
Kwon: Patents matter far less for software startups than life sciences
“Patents tend to matter less. There's less protection under patent law for software or patents anyway, and most of your success is going to be determined not by their protectability of your property under law, but rather your execution under the software. If yo…”
Levy: Startup advisors are essentially just investors seeking free equity
“Advisors are investors who want stock for free, and that's kind of how I think about it. Like, you know, people should invest, ideally, instead of advising for free shares, and I know this is in like a one size, but some situations, like I was saying it's appr…”