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Insight
Sarandos: Idiot-proofing a business results in a company full of idiots
“You can you can idiot-proof your business, but then you're gonna end up with a business full of idiots.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 10:18 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Disclosure
Sarandos: Netflix produces movies for subscription streaming, not theatrical release
“We're not doing that. Some of our movies go to the theaters just as a tactical part of the release, but our business is the subscription entertainment business. So the movies that we produce them for our subscription business.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 41:17 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Insight
Sarandos: Companies should operate like sports teams, not families
“This is not a family. This is a sports team, a high-performing sports team. He goes, you know, you wouldn't throw your brother out. He said, but there's no shame of getting cut from a great team. You could, a lot of great athletes get cut from a great team”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 10:29 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Insight
Sarandos: Live sports broadcasting is a structurally low-margin distribution business
“For me, I believe that big sports, cricket in, in India, the NFL in the United States is, those leagues are so powerful. The consumer demand for them is so high, they should get all the money. So whoever's delivering it, it's just a distribution business. Shou…”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:07:13 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Sarandos: Video podcasts are very likely to end up on Netflix
“The more podcasts become Forward video forward. And people are watching on TV, which they are more doing more and more frequently. It's very likely that a lot of those will, could end up on Netflix, not all of them, but I do think but there's a place on Netfli…”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:46:05 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Opinion
Sarandos: Micro-dramas are fun, but not yet a proven business
“The micro dramas and these things. I don't know that that's a, it's fun. I don't know that that's a business yet. I've looked at it quite a bit.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 35:25 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Sarandos: High-end creator content will monetize better on Netflix than YouTube
“I actually believe that it, the, that content will better monetize on Netflix than it does on YouTube. Not all of it, but certain for certain class, you know, creators, it certainly would. So we'll look to do that.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 58:40 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Insight
Sarandos: Authentically local storytelling is the most globally valuable
“So this idea of, you know, authentically local storytelling being the most globally valuable is unintuitive, but totally true.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 33:07 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Prediction Open · timeframe Jun 2028
Sarandos: Ads will top out at 20% of Netflix's business
“In fact, I think that our business will be primarily a subscription for the foreseeable future. We'll grow the ad business to be a good part of our business for sure. But I think that even, even when it's very healthy, it'll still be 20% of the business.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:14:02 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Supported
Netflix's Second-Biggest Expense Is Tech, While Rivals Spend on Marketing
“I would bet every, all the other entertainment companies, their second biggest, biggest expense is marketing and ours is tech. Second and only to content.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 55:13 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Sarandos: Social video growth is not cannibalizing Netflix viewership
“Our, we're not dropping and they're growing. It could be that they're just accelerating the decline of linear television”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:46:59 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Disclosure
Sarandos: Netflix Does Not Use Algorithms to Greenlight Content
“Definitely not on the, on green lighting. No. The idea really, mostly it is the quality of the storytelling. Is this a world that people are going to want to spend time in? Are these people, people care about? Do I care how these people, what happens to these …”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:23:54 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Insight
Sarandos: Co-CEO structure works at Netflix by splitting tech and entertainment cultures
“I think where it really works well here is we do two very distinctly different things. We manage two different, distinctly different cultures inside the business with tech culture and entertainment culture. We're even physically in two different places in Cali…”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:26:55 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Supported
F1's US Media Rights Jumped 10x After Netflix's Drive to Survive
“When that contract came up because of all the brand building I did for Formula One, that fee went up 10 times.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:08:50 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Insight
Sarandos: Work-life balance does not exist and chasing it is futile
“I think it, or maybe it's just aspirational that they seek life, work balance, but there's no such thing. It's an exercise in futility to try to chase it. In fact, it's probably, you're probably shortchanging one or the other all the time.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:30:50 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Sarandos: Americans watch two movies yearly in theaters vs seven monthly on Netflix
“Average American consumer watches two movies a year in the theatre, watches seven movies a month on Netflix.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 41:55 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Disclosure
Sarandos: Netflix will never be fully ad-supported and will keep ad-free tier
“I don't think there's ever a world where we do all, all ads. It's, we're a choice brand. So so the folks who really don't want ads, there's always going to be an option for them to do that.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:13:51 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Insight
Sarandos: An ads-only model cannot fund ambitious premium content
“The ads only model doesn't support the kind of ambitious content that we put on.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:14:18 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Insight
Sarandos: Predicting cultural shifts to greenlight content is nearly impossible
“The reason it's so hard to predict is because sometimes it changes because of what's happening in the culture, and sometimes the exact opposite. Meaning that because things are so X, because things are so black, people really want white now. Or because everyth…”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:41:06 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Opinion
Sarandos: Video games serve interactive storytelling much better than TV
“It was very interesting and novel. It wasn't huge, you know video games do that so much better. You know, if you really want to control all your outcomes and design the worlds you're playing in and all those kinds of things, I think video games is a better out…”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 50:35 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Insight
Sarandos: True crime's global popularity stems from puzzle-solving instincts
“I think they really like crime because they're puzzle solvers, problem solvers. They were trying to try to solve a puzzle. I think it's very built into our DNA to figure, figure things out... So I actually think people are very curious and that, that true crim…”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:05:32 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Insight
Sarandos: A curated list of five choices is far more valuable than a thousand
“You'd think the worst thing would be a list of a hundred movies, but the worst thing is a list of a thousand movies. Yeah. So, but actually a curated list of five is unbelievably valuable.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 27:36 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Sarandos: Anime and Turkish soaps perform very well in India on Netflix
“The international performance of kind of programming from Japanese anime to Turkish soaps, to all kinds of different things that you would not expect would work very well in India, work very well in India.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:43:50 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Insight
Sarandos: National inventory models turn fragmented niche demand profitable
“If you had one copy in the thousands, there was all over the United States. They'd all make money. So that was this kind of idea. And then Netflix became this kind of national footprint inventory. So we can support very small niches and then, or even more impo…”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 24:16 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Disclosure
Sarandos: Netflix targets bespoke live sports spectacles over season packages
“Our version of this would be something like the NFL on Christmas Day, where we actually create a Netflix event around it, where we have back-to-back football on the, that day, we have a Beyonce concert in between, It was a real kind of a fun, like Christmas da…”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:09:06 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Sarandos: Netflix India subscriber traction is spread across all pricing tiers
“No, it's across the, it's across all the programs. Whatever suits the individual.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:20:41 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Disclosure
Sarandos: Netflix prioritizes watch-through completion over initial plays
“The thing that we really value is when you push play, do you stay? So do you keep watching it all the way through? It's a good indicator that you like it.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 28:26 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Sarandos: International content performs strongly in India despite Bollywood convention
“I think there was a belief for a conventional wisdom was that India is all Bollywood and India is all local. And actually the taste of their international shows play really, really well in India. So the taste is very broad and very global.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:21:37 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Disclosure
Sarandos: Netflix is optimizing games, including multiplayer party titles, for TV
“Now we're optimizing some of the games for TV as well, including a multi multiplayer party games and those kinds of things too.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:51:11 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Supported
Sarandos: Netflix licensed AAA games like Grand Theft Auto with strong results
“I mean, we've, you know, we've licensed a lot of large triple A games that are in the program now. The Grand Theft Auto games, by way of example, they do very, very well.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:51:36 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Partly supported
Sarandos: At peak DVD business, Netflix offered nationwide one-day delivery
“Eventually when the, at the peak of the DVD business, we were doing one day delivery to everywhere in the country.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 21:05 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Disclosure
Sarandos: Netflix will not enter the music streaming business
“There's plenty of music out there. It's, you know, and it's kind of, I think it's a very different business model.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 57:58 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Contradicted
Netflix Originally Sourced Its DVDs From Walmart and Best Buy
“Basically the company at the time was buying all the DVDs from Walmart and Best Buy and that kind of thing.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 4:04 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Insight
Sarandos: Hollywood talent courts the executive chair, not the individual
“I don't kid myself, but like a lot of, like what you said, I think it's most, it's a, it's the chair and people want to be whoever's in the chair.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:15:32 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Sarandos: Netflix DVD users kept prestige classics at home the longest
“We looked at how long people kept movies, and the movies that stayed out the longest are the ones that people are putting off watching, you know. So, which sat on top of the TV the longest, and it was Gone with the Wind and Citizen Kane, all the greats that th…”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 26:05 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Disclosure
Sarandos: Netflix scouts creators on YouTube, TikTok, and Instagram
“The breadth of places that we're looking for new storytelling and new creators is bigger than it used to be. It's not just film school. It's not just a film festival. A lot of times it's YouTube and TikTok and Instagram.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:46:37 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Disclosure
Sarandos: Personalization allows Netflix to broaden offerings without alienating audiences
“That's the beauty of the personalization work that we've been doing since the company began, is we're not doing those shows instead of doing these other shows. We're doing those in addition to them. So that if you like these kind of shows, then that's what you…”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:43:15 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Insight
Sarandos: Video games directly compete with streaming for TV screen time
“I look at things that happen on the TV that compete for time on TV, and games are definitely a part of that.”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 51:35 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
Disclosure
Sarandos: Netflix licensed TV shows to prevent Hulu dominating television streaming
“Most of, one of our concerns was that Hulu, they had a lot of TV. And Netflix, because of our DVD roots, we were kind of known as a movie company. And we really wanted to make sure that we didn't become the movie company and Hulu became the TV company. So that…”
Ted Sarandos Jun 7, 2025 ▶ 1:03:24 Nikhil Kamath x Netflix Co-CEO, Ted Sarandos | People by WTF | Ep. 10 · Nikhil Kamath
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