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Wang: Google owns the entire AI lab Pareto frontier with Gemini 2.5 Pro

Shawn 'swyx' Wang · Are AI AGENTS Learning to DREAM? | Shawn Wang on TBPN April 4th · Apr 9, 2025 · at 4:17

Shawn 'swyx' Wang, host of the Latent Space podcast, discusses recent model and pricing announcements from major AI frontier labs on TBPN.

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“They now completely own the entire Pareto frontier of all, all, all labs. Like they've had the smartest and the cheapest and the most effective Pareto frontier between.”

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