Apr 26, 2025 · 17m · tbpn

What It Takes to Sponsor an F1 Team | Jannick Malling & Leif Abraham on TBPN

Leif Abraham · 4m spoken Jannick Malling · 4m spoken John Coogan · 3m spoken Jordi Hays · 3m spoken
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Public.com co-founders Jannick Malling and Leif Abraham join TBPN to break down their multi-year sponsorship of the Aston Martin Formula One team, detailing the deal's equity structure, demographic alignment, and experiential marketing strategy.

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The hosts as informed peer 4.4 Guest teaching 3.8 Guest disagreement 1.0 The hosts pushing back 1.0
05100:0010:000:04–2:37 · The hosts as informed peer 3/10 Public.com Announces Official Aston Martin F1 Sponsorship The hosts welcome the Public.com founders and celebrate their Aston Martin F1 sponsorship announcement. Jannick explains Public's evolution from fractional trading to a sophisticated multi-asset platform catering to higher net worth investors.2:38–5:28 · The hosts as informed peer 4/10 Structuring the Deal and Aston Martin's Equity Stake John inquires about deal mechanics and agency involvement, prompting Leif to reveal Aston Martin negotiated directly and took an equity stake in Public. Jannick details their international rollout via the AI-powered Alpha app.5:28–8:28 · The hosts as informed peer 4/10 Activating High-Value Experiences and App Scavenger Hunts John asks how the sponsorship manifests across race weekends. Leif breaks down why traditional five-dollar stock referral bonuses fail with affluent users, explaining their pivot to high-end experiential access like Paddock Club passes and in-app scavenger hunts.8:29–12:26 · The hosts as informed peer 5/10 F1's Marketing Scale and Leveraging Drive to Survive John asks how Drive to Survive factored into their calculations. Leif educates the hosts on the structural difference between league and team sponsorships, explaining that team sponsors must manufacture organic drama to earn Netflix screen time.12:26–14:37 · The hosts as informed peer 6/10 Lawrence Stroll's Leadership and Aston Martin's Momentum Jordi demonstrates deep motorsport business knowledge by analyzing Lawrence Stroll's dual ownership of the racing team and car manufacturer compared to Haas. Leif and Jannick validate the analysis by discussing key Red Bull engineering hires and F1's changing competitive landscape.0:04–2:37 · Guest teaching 2/10 Public.com Announces Official Aston Martin F1 Sponsorship The hosts welcome the Public.com founders and celebrate their Aston Martin F1 sponsorship announcement. Jannick explains Public's evolution from fractional trading to a sophisticated multi-asset platform catering to higher net worth investors.2:38–5:28 · Guest teaching 4/10 Structuring the Deal and Aston Martin's Equity Stake John inquires about deal mechanics and agency involvement, prompting Leif to reveal Aston Martin negotiated directly and took an equity stake in Public. Jannick details their international rollout via the AI-powered Alpha app.5:28–8:28 · Guest teaching 4/10 Activating High-Value Experiences and App Scavenger Hunts John asks how the sponsorship manifests across race weekends. Leif breaks down why traditional five-dollar stock referral bonuses fail with affluent users, explaining their pivot to high-end experiential access like Paddock Club passes and in-app scavenger hunts.8:29–12:26 · Guest teaching 5/10 F1's Marketing Scale and Leveraging Drive to Survive John asks how Drive to Survive factored into their calculations. Leif educates the hosts on the structural difference between league and team sponsorships, explaining that team sponsors must manufacture organic drama to earn Netflix screen time.12:26–14:37 · Guest teaching 4/10 Lawrence Stroll's Leadership and Aston Martin's Momentum Jordi demonstrates deep motorsport business knowledge by analyzing Lawrence Stroll's dual ownership of the racing team and car manufacturer compared to Haas. Leif and Jannick validate the analysis by discussing key Red Bull engineering hires and F1's changing competitive landscape.0:04–2:37 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Public.com Announces Official Aston Martin F1 Sponsorship The hosts welcome the Public.com founders and celebrate their Aston Martin F1 sponsorship announcement. Jannick explains Public's evolution from fractional trading to a sophisticated multi-asset platform catering to higher net worth investors.2:38–5:28 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Structuring the Deal and Aston Martin's Equity Stake John inquires about deal mechanics and agency involvement, prompting Leif to reveal Aston Martin negotiated directly and took an equity stake in Public. Jannick details their international rollout via the AI-powered Alpha app.5:28–8:28 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Activating High-Value Experiences and App Scavenger Hunts John asks how the sponsorship manifests across race weekends. Leif breaks down why traditional five-dollar stock referral bonuses fail with affluent users, explaining their pivot to high-end experiential access like Paddock Club passes and in-app scavenger hunts.8:29–12:26 · Guest disagreement 2/10 F1's Marketing Scale and Leveraging Drive to Survive John asks how Drive to Survive factored into their calculations. Leif educates the hosts on the structural difference between league and team sponsorships, explaining that team sponsors must manufacture organic drama to earn Netflix screen time.12:26–14:37 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Lawrence Stroll's Leadership and Aston Martin's Momentum Jordi demonstrates deep motorsport business knowledge by analyzing Lawrence Stroll's dual ownership of the racing team and car manufacturer compared to Haas. Leif and Jannick validate the analysis by discussing key Red Bull engineering hires and F1's changing competitive landscape.0:04–2:37 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 Public.com Announces Official Aston Martin F1 Sponsorship The hosts welcome the Public.com founders and celebrate their Aston Martin F1 sponsorship announcement. Jannick explains Public's evolution from fractional trading to a sophisticated multi-asset platform catering to higher net worth investors.2:38–5:28 · The hosts pushing back 1/10 Structuring the Deal and Aston Martin's Equity Stake John inquires about deal mechanics and agency involvement, prompting Leif to reveal Aston Martin negotiated directly and took an equity stake in Public. Jannick details their international rollout via the AI-powered Alpha app.5:28–8:28 · The hosts pushing back 1/10 Activating High-Value Experiences and App Scavenger Hunts John asks how the sponsorship manifests across race weekends. Leif breaks down why traditional five-dollar stock referral bonuses fail with affluent users, explaining their pivot to high-end experiential access like Paddock Club passes and in-app scavenger hunts.8:29–12:26 · The hosts pushing back 2/10 F1's Marketing Scale and Leveraging Drive to Survive John asks how Drive to Survive factored into their calculations. Leif educates the hosts on the structural difference between league and team sponsorships, explaining that team sponsors must manufacture organic drama to earn Netflix screen time.12:26–14:37 · The hosts pushing back 1/10 Lawrence Stroll's Leadership and Aston Martin's Momentum Jordi demonstrates deep motorsport business knowledge by analyzing Lawrence Stroll's dual ownership of the racing team and car manufacturer compared to Haas. Leif and Jannick validate the analysis by discussing key Red Bull engineering hires and F1's changing competitive landscape.

speaking balance: gold is the hosts, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · the hosts 51.6% · guest 48.4%0:00 · the hosts 51.6% · guest 48.4%3:00 · the hosts 26.3% · guest 73.7%3:00 · the hosts 26.3% · guest 73.7%6:00 · the hosts 28.6% · guest 71.4%6:00 · the hosts 28.6% · guest 71.4%9:00 · the hosts 22.4% · guest 77.6%9:00 · the hosts 22.4% · guest 77.6%12:00 · the hosts 37.9% · guest 62.1%12:00 · the hosts 37.9% · guest 62.1%15:00 · the hosts 80.8% · guest 19.2%15:00 · the hosts 80.8% · guest 19.2%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 10:10 Leif reframes John's Drive to Survive assumption

Leif politely pushes back on John's assumption that car logos automatically translate to Drive to Survive visibility, pointing out Netflix contracts with the league rather than teams.

Hardest push from the hosts ▶ 11:23 John presses on geo-fenced local marketing ROI

John challenges the founders on how they plan to aggressively extract value from specific race weekends using hyper-local geo-targeting and billboards.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 10:10 Leif explains league versus team media rights

Leif teaches the hosts the nuances of F1 media contracts, detailing why team sponsors must create compelling storylines or rivalries to get featured on Drive to Survive.

The host holds their own ▶ 12:26 Jordi provides sharp analysis of F1 paddock economics

Jordi demonstrates commanding industry knowledge by breaking down Lawrence Stroll's manufacturer backing versus Haas's historical budget constraints.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicThe hosts as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementThe hosts pushing backWhy
Public.com Announces Official Aston Martin F1 Sponsorship 3200 The hosts welcome the Public.com founders and celebrate their Aston Martin F1 sponsorship announcement. Jannick explains Public's evolution from fractional trading to a sophisticated multi-asset platform catering to higher net worth investors.
Structuring the Deal and Aston Martin's Equity Stake 4411 John inquires about deal mechanics and agency involvement, prompting Leif to reveal Aston Martin negotiated directly and took an equity stake in Public. Jannick details their international rollout via the AI-powered Alpha app.
Activating High-Value Experiences and App Scavenger Hunts 4411 John asks how the sponsorship manifests across race weekends. Leif breaks down why traditional five-dollar stock referral bonuses fail with affluent users, explaining their pivot to high-end experiential access like Paddock Club passes and in-app scavenger hunts.
F1's Marketing Scale and Leveraging Drive to Survive 5522 John asks how Drive to Survive factored into their calculations. Leif educates the hosts on the structural difference between league and team sponsorships, explaining that team sponsors must manufacture organic drama to earn Netflix screen time.
Lawrence Stroll's Leadership and Aston Martin's Momentum 6411 Jordi demonstrates deep motorsport business knowledge by analyzing Lawrence Stroll's dual ownership of the racing team and car manufacturer compared to Haas. Leif and Jannick validate the analysis by discussing key Red Bull engineering hires and F1's changing competitive landscape.

Statements from this episode (8)

Assertion Supported
Public.com sponsors the Aston Martin Formula One team
“We announced today, as you could tell from your last, we are the new sponsors of the Aston Martin and Formula One team.”
Jannick Malling Apr 26, 2025 ▶ 1:01
Assertion Contradicted
Malling: Public.com was the first trading platform to offer fractional shares
“We were like the first to do the whole first trading platform to do fractional shares”
Jannick Malling Apr 26, 2025 ▶ 1:53
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Malling: Public.com users now deposit hundreds of thousands or millions
“Now folks are coming in with hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars in their accounts.”
Jannick Malling Apr 26, 2025 ▶ 2:19
Disclosure
Malling: Public brokered Aston Martin F1 deal without agencies
“No agencies.”
Jannick Malling Apr 26, 2025 ▶ 2:54
Disclosure
Abraham: Aston Martin took equity in Public for F1 sponsorship
“The Aston Martin actually took part equity in public as well. And it's, you know, kind of like, I think it's the first time they've really done this.”
Leif Abraham Apr 26, 2025 ▶ 3:10
Disclosure
Public.com launched standalone AI app Alpha in international markets
“We actually launched an app called alpha, which is a little bit of a spin out of our AI product. Launched that in international markets late last year as a separate kind of product.”
Jannick Malling Apr 26, 2025 ▶ 4:37
Insight
Abraham: Wealthy retail investors do not care about $5 free stock referral bonuses
“And as you move more upmarket, the less that stuff worked because if you have a little bit of money, let's be honest, you don't really give a shit about five bucks on free stock.”
Leif Abraham Apr 26, 2025 ▶ 6:46
Opinion
Malling: Formula One provides scale equivalent to twenty Super Bowls annually
“No, look, I think what's interesting about the Formula One is, it is the only sport that I can really think of that has scale, and has this sort of thing where whenever Formula One comes into town, it's the whole show, right? It's a Super Bowl event, 20 times …”
Jannick Malling Apr 26, 2025 ▶ 9:06
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