Feb 26, 2026 · 30m · tbpn

Big Tech to Pay for Power, Anthropic Abandons Safety, the Adoption Paradox | Diet TBPN

John Coogan · 17m spoken Jordi Hays · 8m spoken Donald Trump · 56s spoken
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John Coogan and Jordi Hays analyze the macro forces reshaping artificial intelligence, examining the corporate AI adoption paradox, mounting energy and political pressures on data centers, extreme venture capital concentration, and Anthropic's softening safety commitments.

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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. The hosts hold 92.1% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

The hosts as informed peer 6.5 Guest teaching 2.5 Guest disagreement 2.3 The hosts pushing back 2.3
05100:0010:0020:0030:000:02–10:38 · The hosts as informed peer 8/10 The AI Adoption Paradox and the NBER Survey John Coogan systematically dissects the NBER survey on enterprise AI adoption, contrasting superficial media headlines with detailed survey methodology and sub-metrics across international markets.10:38–14:33 · The hosts as informed peer 6/10 Trump's Ratepayer Protection Pledge and AI Energy Backlash After analyzing Donald Trump's ratepayer protection pledge, the panelist directly challenges the hosts' assumption that utility bill increases are the primary driver of anti-data center sentiment.14:33–16:37 · The hosts as informed peer 4/10 Electric Hypercar Drift Record Debate The co-hosts and production team engage in playful dispute over whether a Chinese hypercar's record-setting maneuver was a legitimate drift or merely an uncontrolled spinout.16:37–20:28 · The hosts as informed peer 8/10 AI Lab Capital Concentration and Upcoming Mega-IPOs Jordi and John break down capital concentration in private AI labs and calculate the unprecedented float requirements needed for prospective mega-IPOs like SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropic.20:28–27:07 · The hosts as informed peer 7/10 Anthropic Softens Safety Policies and Geopolitical AI Race The hosts and panelist review Anthropic softening its safety policy, discussing how national security and geopolitical competition with China reshape corporate definitions of AI safety.27:07–30:32 · The hosts as informed peer 6/10 Perplexity Computer, Media Incentives, and Rapid-Fire News The hosts discuss Perplexity Computer's product claims and critique how online media algorithms heavily incentivize doomer financial content over balanced reporting.0:02–10:38 · Guest teaching 1/10 The AI Adoption Paradox and the NBER Survey John Coogan systematically dissects the NBER survey on enterprise AI adoption, contrasting superficial media headlines with detailed survey methodology and sub-metrics across international markets.10:38–14:33 · Guest teaching 4/10 Trump's Ratepayer Protection Pledge and AI Energy Backlash After analyzing Donald Trump's ratepayer protection pledge, the panelist directly challenges the hosts' assumption that utility bill increases are the primary driver of anti-data center sentiment.14:33–16:37 · Guest teaching 4/10 Electric Hypercar Drift Record Debate The co-hosts and production team engage in playful dispute over whether a Chinese hypercar's record-setting maneuver was a legitimate drift or merely an uncontrolled spinout.16:37–20:28 · Guest teaching 2/10 AI Lab Capital Concentration and Upcoming Mega-IPOs Jordi and John break down capital concentration in private AI labs and calculate the unprecedented float requirements needed for prospective mega-IPOs like SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropic.20:28–27:07 · Guest teaching 3/10 Anthropic Softens Safety Policies and Geopolitical AI Race The hosts and panelist review Anthropic softening its safety policy, discussing how national security and geopolitical competition with China reshape corporate definitions of AI safety.27:07–30:32 · Guest teaching 1/10 Perplexity Computer, Media Incentives, and Rapid-Fire News The hosts discuss Perplexity Computer's product claims and critique how online media algorithms heavily incentivize doomer financial content over balanced reporting.0:02–10:38 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The AI Adoption Paradox and the NBER Survey John Coogan systematically dissects the NBER survey on enterprise AI adoption, contrasting superficial media headlines with detailed survey methodology and sub-metrics across international markets.10:38–14:33 · Guest disagreement 4/10 Trump's Ratepayer Protection Pledge and AI Energy Backlash After analyzing Donald Trump's ratepayer protection pledge, the panelist directly challenges the hosts' assumption that utility bill increases are the primary driver of anti-data center sentiment.14:33–16:37 · Guest disagreement 5/10 Electric Hypercar Drift Record Debate The co-hosts and production team engage in playful dispute over whether a Chinese hypercar's record-setting maneuver was a legitimate drift or merely an uncontrolled spinout.16:37–20:28 · Guest disagreement 1/10 AI Lab Capital Concentration and Upcoming Mega-IPOs Jordi and John break down capital concentration in private AI labs and calculate the unprecedented float requirements needed for prospective mega-IPOs like SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropic.20:28–27:07 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Anthropic Softens Safety Policies and Geopolitical AI Race The hosts and panelist review Anthropic softening its safety policy, discussing how national security and geopolitical competition with China reshape corporate definitions of AI safety.27:07–30:32 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Perplexity Computer, Media Incentives, and Rapid-Fire News The hosts discuss Perplexity Computer's product claims and critique how online media algorithms heavily incentivize doomer financial content over balanced reporting.0:02–10:38 · The hosts pushing back 1/10 The AI Adoption Paradox and the NBER Survey John Coogan systematically dissects the NBER survey on enterprise AI adoption, contrasting superficial media headlines with detailed survey methodology and sub-metrics across international markets.10:38–14:33 · The hosts pushing back 3/10 Trump's Ratepayer Protection Pledge and AI Energy Backlash After analyzing Donald Trump's ratepayer protection pledge, the panelist directly challenges the hosts' assumption that utility bill increases are the primary driver of anti-data center sentiment.14:33–16:37 · The hosts pushing back 4/10 Electric Hypercar Drift Record Debate The co-hosts and production team engage in playful dispute over whether a Chinese hypercar's record-setting maneuver was a legitimate drift or merely an uncontrolled spinout.16:37–20:28 · The hosts pushing back 1/10 AI Lab Capital Concentration and Upcoming Mega-IPOs Jordi and John break down capital concentration in private AI labs and calculate the unprecedented float requirements needed for prospective mega-IPOs like SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropic.20:28–27:07 · The hosts pushing back 3/10 Anthropic Softens Safety Policies and Geopolitical AI Race The hosts and panelist review Anthropic softening its safety policy, discussing how national security and geopolitical competition with China reshape corporate definitions of AI safety.27:07–30:32 · The hosts pushing back 2/10 Perplexity Computer, Media Incentives, and Rapid-Fire News The hosts discuss Perplexity Computer's product claims and critique how online media algorithms heavily incentivize doomer financial content over balanced reporting.

speaking balance: gold is the hosts, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · the hosts 99.9% · guest 0.1%0:00 · the hosts 99.9% · guest 0.1%3:00 · the hosts 100% · guest 0%3:00 · the hosts 100% · guest 0%6:00 · the hosts 98.1% · guest 1.9%6:00 · the hosts 98.1% · guest 1.9%9:00 · the hosts 67.6% · guest 32.4%9:00 · the hosts 67.6% · guest 32.4%12:00 · the hosts 80.3% · guest 19.7%12:00 · the hosts 80.3% · guest 19.7%15:00 · the hosts 98.6% · guest 1.4%15:00 · the hosts 98.6% · guest 1.4%18:00 · the hosts 100% · guest 0%18:00 · the hosts 100% · guest 0%21:00 · the hosts 97.9% · guest 2.1%21:00 · the hosts 97.9% · guest 2.1%24:00 · the hosts 77.9% · guest 22.1%24:00 · the hosts 77.9% · guest 22.1%27:00 · the hosts 99.9% · guest 0.1%27:00 · the hosts 99.9% · guest 0.1%30:00 · the hosts 100% · guest 0%30:00 · the hosts 100% · guest 0%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 13:55 Panelist Rejects Energy Price Backlash Hypothesis

The panelist explicitly disagrees with John's thesis that power bills are the primary source of public anger against AI, pointing out that local protests focus on environmental degradation and job displacement.

Hardest push from the hosts ▶ 15:45 Pushback on Calling Spinout a World Record Drift

Jordi and the production team refuse to accept John's claim that the hypercar maneuver qualifies as a drift, arguing that failing to maintain control through the turn renders it an invalid spinout.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 24:04 Reframing Safety as Staying Ahead of Adversaries

The panelist contextualizes Anthropic's policy retreat by citing Dario Amodei's essays, explaining that maintaining frontier model superiority over authoritarian states is considered a core safety objective.

The host holds their own ▶ 18:24 Deep Dive into Public Market Float Mechanics

Jordi Hays showcases deep market expertise by calculating specific dollar float requirements for impending mega-IPOs and contrasting them with historical comps like Saudi Aramco and Alibaba.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicThe hosts as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementThe hosts pushing backWhy
The AI Adoption Paradox and the NBER Survey 8111 John Coogan systematically dissects the NBER survey on enterprise AI adoption, contrasting superficial media headlines with detailed survey methodology and sub-metrics across international markets.
Trump's Ratepayer Protection Pledge and AI Energy Backlash 6443 After analyzing Donald Trump's ratepayer protection pledge, the panelist directly challenges the hosts' assumption that utility bill increases are the primary driver of anti-data center sentiment.
Electric Hypercar Drift Record Debate 4454 The co-hosts and production team engage in playful dispute over whether a Chinese hypercar's record-setting maneuver was a legitimate drift or merely an uncontrolled spinout.
AI Lab Capital Concentration and Upcoming Mega-IPOs 8211 Jordi and John break down capital concentration in private AI labs and calculate the unprecedented float requirements needed for prospective mega-IPOs like SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropic.
Anthropic Softens Safety Policies and Geopolitical AI Race 7323 The hosts and panelist review Anthropic softening its safety policy, discussing how national security and geopolitical competition with China reshape corporate definitions of AI safety.
Perplexity Computer, Media Incentives, and Rapid-Fire News 6112 The hosts discuss Perplexity Computer's product claims and critique how online media algorithms heavily incentivize doomer financial content over balanced reporting.

Statements from this episode (10)

Prediction Not checkable as stated
Coogan: AI Adoption Will Be Very Steep and Dramatic Despite Survey Doubts
“I think that the AI adoption will be very steep and very dramatic, but I just think it's important to recognize that like, this is a paper that people will be citing. This is a paper that will shape policy.”
John Coogan Feb 26, 2026 ▶ 8:09
Opinion
Coogan: AI Progress Outpaces Public Expectations as Managers Lag Behind
“AI progress is pacing way ahead of public expectations, and most managers are months behind when it comes to understanding frontier capabilities.”
John Coogan Feb 26, 2026 ▶ 9:19
Assertion Supported
Trump Requires Tech Giants to Build Power Plants for AI Data Centers
“Tonight I'm pleased to announce that I have negotiated the new rate payer protection pledge. You know what that is? We're telling the major tech companies that they have the obligation to provide for their own power needs. They can build their own power plants…”
Donald Trump Feb 26, 2026 ▶ 11:01
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Coogan: AI Will Be a Scapegoat for Corporate Layoffs and Unemployment
“AI is going to get blamed. Even if there's an, even if like tariffs drive high unemployment, like if people lose their jobs, like AI is going to be a scapegoat and it's going to be used both by executives.”
John Coogan Feb 26, 2026 ▶ 13:08
Assertion Supported
Coogan: Leading AI labs are capturing half of all venture capital
“Venture as a class in a good year will do like four hundred billion, and across OpenAI at a 100,000,000,030 for Anthropic, 20 for XAI, then you have, you know, a bunch of NeoLabs all picking up a billion each. Like, you very quickly get to a few companies Rais…”
John Coogan Feb 26, 2026 ▶ 17:18
Opinion
Coogan: Categorizing giant AI labs as venture bets is ridiculous
“If any venture capital fund is putting that in their venture bucket at this point, it feels, feels ridiculous compared to growth scale. I mean, you're bigger than probably 90% of the S and P like it's a completely different business.”
John Coogan Feb 26, 2026 ▶ 18:10
Assertion Supported
Hays: Anthropic Abandons AI Safety Pauses if Rivals Release Comparable Models
“Anthropic previously paused development work on its model. If it could be Classified as dangerous, but it said it would end that practice if a comparable or superior model was released by a competitor, given that they are at the frontier, that kind of opens th…”
Jordi Hays Feb 26, 2026 ▶ 20:47
Assertion Supported
Hays: Anthropic Battles Pentagon Over Surveillance and Lethal AI Uses
“It's also locked in a battle with the Defense Department over how its clawed suite are used after it told the Pentagon it couldn't be used for domestic surveillance or autonomous lethal activities.”
Jordi Hays Feb 26, 2026 ▶ 21:23
Assertion Supported
Hays: Hackers Used Claude to Breach 195M Mexican Government Records
“Hackers use Claude to steal a 150 gigabytes of Mexican government data. They told Claude they're doing a bug bounty. Claude initially refused. A hacker just kept asking and manages to successfully steal some documents. Apparently, it's four state governments, …”
Jordi Hays Feb 26, 2026 ▶ 25:24
Assertion Partly supported
Tether Invests $200M in Whop at $6B Valuation
“Steven over at WAP says, we're excited to announce that Tether, the largest stablecoin company in the world, is making a strategic investment of two hundred million into WAP, valuing us at about six billion dollars.”
Jordi Hays Feb 26, 2026 ▶ 29:23
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