The Exchanges

Q back at the pod. And, you know, you could have You know, you, you, you own an agency called metal lab. You could have called that metal lab to go and build this for you, but you decided I'm going to do this all myself. I'm going to actually productize this myself. I'm going to design it myself. I'm going to build it myself. Why did you make that decision?

A Well, I think, um, I love people like I'm very extroverted, but the worst part about business is people. Um, you know, if you think about using a, let's use a screenwriting analogy. So in Hollywood, there's all these brilliant screenwriters and they write these incredible scripts. And so they have this idea and they know where they want it to go. Right? So let's say they start here and they want it to go here. They want to make an incredible feature film in between All in between the script and the feature film are a hundred people that they have to convince. Fifty million dollars they have to raise. A million middlemen and all that. And I think that creativity is just, um, compromised based on how the number of people between your vision, uh, and execution. And so, um, I think like writing for me has been a very like pure pursuit where I can think about it. And I can write it and I can work with AI to make it better if I need to. Um, but it feels, it feels like so, such a clear, um, execution of your vision. And I feel like vibe coding is that, um, like finally I can do absolutely every part of it and I can do it at my own pace. You know, if I was using employees, um, they're unreliable. They don't see my vision. They don't understand every aspect of, um, design. So you can have a great designer who sucks at front end, or you can have, um, or doesn't know how to design saying …

AI assessment note: “creativity is just, um, compromised based on how the number of people between your vision”

Q could identify sleep apnea with an Apple Watch. What are other undiagnosed illnesses like this? And then that's when it starts listing it off. AFib, which is arterial fibrillation. Many smart watches, including the Apple Watch, can detect irregular heart rhythms that indicate AFib. And then these, you know, very interesting. And I think millions of people have that. Hypertension. Uh, diabetes, stress and anxiety. Like, how cool is this?

A Well, I think it's crazy. Like, I just went through, um, ADHD diagnosis, and it's not rocket science, right? It's all stuff that could have been done with AI. Like, they basically, um, they put you through, like, a memory test and some cognitive testing. They sit with you for an hour, and they, you know, basically just go, go through a checklist and ask you a bunch of questions. They go through, like, a process of, like, You know, you tick boxes based on like symptoms and all that kind of stuff, and I think there's something really crappy about the fact that in order to get diagnosed with a disorder with, which really impacts a lot of people, it could be anxiety, depression, ADHD, you name it, you have to spend thousands of dollars or have insurance or whatever. I think my diagnosis was like 2000 dollars And I, I recently saw a friend of mine is creating a startup to do this, to basically diagnose. You go through like, uh, you just say like, something is wrong with me. Like, I don't know what, what it is, but like something's wrong with me and just do a mental health assessment. And it uses AI to basically say like, Hey, here's an entire picture of your mental health. And here's all the ways that you could potentially tackle it. And I think that's really freaking cool. Um, and I think ADHD in general actually Is a huge opportunity area. I think more and more people are recogniz…

AI assessment note: “I think ADHD in general actually Is a huge opportunity area... widely undiagnosed.”

Q And, and curious, like within tiny, like I see how you're using it to interface with tiny and, and to, you know, be a better chairperson and give advice. Within Tiny, I imagine that there's like some efforts to make the company's AI first and stuff like that, right?

A Yeah. And that's one of those challenges that I think everyone can relate to where, what is the saying? It's, um, never expand, expect someone to understand something that their paycheck depends on them not understanding. So you have a lot of people that are living in the old world and need to be upgraded, um, in their understanding. And often they're very attached to the old way of doing things. And so to be honest, like the challenge in tiny is that we, um, Are generally pretty hands off and where we're really leaning in is in a lot of the software businesses, because those are the ones that are at the most risk. I think we've talked about this before, but it's not like software is dead. If anything, software is going to thrive way more, but it used to be like the newspaper industry where it's like, in order to compete, you have to assemble this incredibly expensive group of people that's Very rare to find , right? You need like great programmers, great designers, et cetera. And that, that was like a very finite resource. So it's kind of like the newspaper industry where you had to be rich. You had to buy like two million dollar printing press. And then once you have it, you actually have a competitive advantage. Now I just think software is free. Anyone can make it. Anyone can rip it off. Like my personality app. It's cool. Does it have a moat? Absolutely not. Like maybe if,…

AI assessment note: “where we're really leaning in is in a lot of the software businesses”

Q The counter argument is it's so hard to predict even five months from now that how are we going to predict what's going to happen in five years from now?

A Well, I just think, um, you know, the Dario Amadei quote of like, you know, uh, all keyboard jobs are gone within two years. Like if that is true, then like, I think like all, all businesses are hard, right? I'm, I'm more just going, you know, that maybe that's not a foregone conclusion. I'm just saying hard is coming. Competition is coming. And I think the moment that someone can just prompt An LLM to compete with you. And like, let's say I could go to an LLM like Manus and I could say, Hey Manus, um, I want you to build a calorie tracker to compete with Cal AI and I want you to beat it. And that's all you have to do, which is totally possible in my opinion. I don't see why that couldn't get to the point of being real within two to three years. So I just think that's a hard world to be a business person in. It's exciting. It's the most excited I've ever been. For business because it's easier than ever to start a business, but the worst businesses are the ones that are easy to start.

AI assessment note: “I don't see why that couldn't get to the point of being real within two to three years.”

Q You think, well, you think they would do it like the seven minute podcast? Like I would subscribe, like if you, if it was 10 dollars a month to the seven minute podcast, that's going to make you more productive, happier, and healthier. Uh, and that is personalized to me. Like, I would pay for that.

A Yeah. I think, I think it's kind of like, um, the other day I taught my open claw agent. I said, whenever I tweet, I want you to create an Instagram story. So it creates an image that's perfectly scaled for Instagram. And I want you to, um, put it into the, um, Instagram, uh, creator thing. Right. So basically schedule it. And that was a product before. So there's this company called tweet shot and they basically automate that. It's just dead. You know, it's like anything that could be an API call is just cooked. So to me, that's like an API call business. That's like the first thing to get run over. But for like normies, I agree. Like if I told my dad about it and I could be like, Hey, what topics are you interested in? Create me a daily podcast and text it to me. Like I, I do agree. That is a cool idea. Someone should build that by the way. And me and Greg will back you. Um, so here's another one. So, so I have two open client agents running on a VPS. And, um, Ava is kind of my personal assistant that I just showed you. This is Mara. This is my, um, my doctor, um, doctor agent. It also helps. I've made them very attractive women. So I always want to talk to them. Um, and I'm always flattered when they message me. Um, but this, this is really cool. So I have it, um, I have all my Apple health data from my Apple watch, my eight sleep, et cetera, and it uploads into a Google dri…

AI assessment note: “But for like normies, I agree... That is a cool idea.”