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Nov 22, 2022 · 29m · startup-acquisition-stories

Startup Acquisition Stories with Andrew Amann, CEO at 923 Venture Studio

Andrew Amann · 18m spoken Andrew Gazdecki · 8m spoken
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In this episode of SaaS Acquisition Stories, MicroAcquire founder Andrew Gazdecki interviews Andrew Amann, CEO of 923 Venture Studio, detailing how his team built, pivoted, and successfully sold an offline-first festival mobile application. Amann shares crucial insights on venture studio economics, technical asset migration, strategic buyer alignment, and actionable exit advice for bootstrapped founders.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Andrew holds 31.8% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Andrew as informed peer 3.1 Guest teaching 2.4 Guest disagreement 0.1 Andrew pushing back 0.1
05100:0010:0020:000:24–5:16 · Andrew as informed peer 4/10 Andrew Amann and the 923 Venture Studio Model Gazdecki shares his prior background running separate iOS and Android engineering teams. Amann offers a mild counter-perspective on preferring dedicated native teams over hybrid development before explaining the festival app's offline functionality.5:16–7:46 · Andrew as informed peer 2/10 Listing on MicroAcquire and Evaluating Buyer Intent Gazdecki inquires into the MicroAcquire listing metrics, and Amann details vetting 20 inbound inquiries down to three serious buyers with expansive product visions.7:46–11:52 · Andrew as informed peer 3/10 The Financial Realities of Bootstrapping a Venture Studio Gazdecki asks whether spinning out and flipping apps could serve as a core business model. Amann explains the economic bottlenecks of bootstrapping a venture studio where client services revenue must fund heavy sales and marketing.11:52–15:32 · Andrew as informed peer 4/10 Conducting Technical Due Diligence and Demonstrating App Features Amann walks through the admin portal testing and an interactive map drawing feature. Gazdecki validates this by sharing standard SaaS and e-commerce technical due diligence practices.15:32–18:08 · Andrew as informed peer 4/10 Technical Migration, Account Transfer, and Post-Sale Support Amann outlines transferring App Store and AWS accounts to the buyer. Gazdecki highlights the best practice of isolating digital assets in dedicated cloud environments to avoid disentangling shared infrastructure during M&A.18:08–20:59 · Andrew as informed peer 3/10 Analyzing Deal Dynamics and a Frictionless M&A Structure Gazdecki notes the relative simplicity of transferring mobile assets compared to complex SaaS operations. Amann explains how buyer readiness with standardized term sheets and realistic pricing made the deal frictionless.20:59–22:59 · Andrew as informed peer 2/10 Actionable Exit Advice for Founders Selling Digital Assets Amann advises founders that selling is not the end of work, warning that preparing the codebase and supporting post-sale transition can require around 100 development hours.22:59–25:07 · Andrew as informed peer 3/10 Founder Recommendations: Mastering Craft and Tactical Knowledge The conversation shifts to educational resources, with Amann recommending Robert Greene's Mastery and The Knowledge Project podcast, while Gazdecki banters about power dynamics in business literature.25:07–27:38 · Andrew as informed peer 3/10 Deconstructing Exceptional Mobile UI/UX Design and Trends Amann analyzes mobile UX benchmarks across Spotify, MileIQ, and historical UI paradigms from Windows Phone that shaped modern iOS. Gazdecki contributes observations on Starbucks app design trade-offs.0:24–5:16 · Guest teaching 2/10 Andrew Amann and the 923 Venture Studio Model Gazdecki shares his prior background running separate iOS and Android engineering teams. Amann offers a mild counter-perspective on preferring dedicated native teams over hybrid development before explaining the festival app's offline functionality.5:16–7:46 · Guest teaching 2/10 Listing on MicroAcquire and Evaluating Buyer Intent Gazdecki inquires into the MicroAcquire listing metrics, and Amann details vetting 20 inbound inquiries down to three serious buyers with expansive product visions.7:46–11:52 · Guest teaching 3/10 The Financial Realities of Bootstrapping a Venture Studio Gazdecki asks whether spinning out and flipping apps could serve as a core business model. Amann explains the economic bottlenecks of bootstrapping a venture studio where client services revenue must fund heavy sales and marketing.11:52–15:32 · Guest teaching 3/10 Conducting Technical Due Diligence and Demonstrating App Features Amann walks through the admin portal testing and an interactive map drawing feature. Gazdecki validates this by sharing standard SaaS and e-commerce technical due diligence practices.15:32–18:08 · Guest teaching 1/10 Technical Migration, Account Transfer, and Post-Sale Support Amann outlines transferring App Store and AWS accounts to the buyer. Gazdecki highlights the best practice of isolating digital assets in dedicated cloud environments to avoid disentangling shared infrastructure during M&A.18:08–20:59 · Guest teaching 2/10 Analyzing Deal Dynamics and a Frictionless M&A Structure Gazdecki notes the relative simplicity of transferring mobile assets compared to complex SaaS operations. Amann explains how buyer readiness with standardized term sheets and realistic pricing made the deal frictionless.20:59–22:59 · Guest teaching 3/10 Actionable Exit Advice for Founders Selling Digital Assets Amann advises founders that selling is not the end of work, warning that preparing the codebase and supporting post-sale transition can require around 100 development hours.22:59–25:07 · Guest teaching 2/10 Founder Recommendations: Mastering Craft and Tactical Knowledge The conversation shifts to educational resources, with Amann recommending Robert Greene's Mastery and The Knowledge Project podcast, while Gazdecki banters about power dynamics in business literature.25:07–27:38 · Guest teaching 4/10 Deconstructing Exceptional Mobile UI/UX Design and Trends Amann analyzes mobile UX benchmarks across Spotify, MileIQ, and historical UI paradigms from Windows Phone that shaped modern iOS. Gazdecki contributes observations on Starbucks app design trade-offs.0:24–5:16 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Andrew Amann and the 923 Venture Studio Model Gazdecki shares his prior background running separate iOS and Android engineering teams. Amann offers a mild counter-perspective on preferring dedicated native teams over hybrid development before explaining the festival app's offline functionality.5:16–7:46 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Listing on MicroAcquire and Evaluating Buyer Intent Gazdecki inquires into the MicroAcquire listing metrics, and Amann details vetting 20 inbound inquiries down to three serious buyers with expansive product visions.7:46–11:52 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The Financial Realities of Bootstrapping a Venture Studio Gazdecki asks whether spinning out and flipping apps could serve as a core business model. Amann explains the economic bottlenecks of bootstrapping a venture studio where client services revenue must fund heavy sales and marketing.11:52–15:32 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Conducting Technical Due Diligence and Demonstrating App Features Amann walks through the admin portal testing and an interactive map drawing feature. Gazdecki validates this by sharing standard SaaS and e-commerce technical due diligence practices.15:32–18:08 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Technical Migration, Account Transfer, and Post-Sale Support Amann outlines transferring App Store and AWS accounts to the buyer. Gazdecki highlights the best practice of isolating digital assets in dedicated cloud environments to avoid disentangling shared infrastructure during M&A.18:08–20:59 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Analyzing Deal Dynamics and a Frictionless M&A Structure Gazdecki notes the relative simplicity of transferring mobile assets compared to complex SaaS operations. Amann explains how buyer readiness with standardized term sheets and realistic pricing made the deal frictionless.20:59–22:59 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Actionable Exit Advice for Founders Selling Digital Assets Amann advises founders that selling is not the end of work, warning that preparing the codebase and supporting post-sale transition can require around 100 development hours.22:59–25:07 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Founder Recommendations: Mastering Craft and Tactical Knowledge The conversation shifts to educational resources, with Amann recommending Robert Greene's Mastery and The Knowledge Project podcast, while Gazdecki banters about power dynamics in business literature.25:07–27:38 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Deconstructing Exceptional Mobile UI/UX Design and Trends Amann analyzes mobile UX benchmarks across Spotify, MileIQ, and historical UI paradigms from Windows Phone that shaped modern iOS. Gazdecki contributes observations on Starbucks app design trade-offs.0:24–5:16 · Andrew pushing back 1/10 Andrew Amann and the 923 Venture Studio Model Gazdecki shares his prior background running separate iOS and Android engineering teams. Amann offers a mild counter-perspective on preferring dedicated native teams over hybrid development before explaining the festival app's offline functionality.5:16–7:46 · Andrew pushing back 0/10 Listing on MicroAcquire and Evaluating Buyer Intent Gazdecki inquires into the MicroAcquire listing metrics, and Amann details vetting 20 inbound inquiries down to three serious buyers with expansive product visions.7:46–11:52 · Andrew pushing back 0/10 The Financial Realities of Bootstrapping a Venture Studio Gazdecki asks whether spinning out and flipping apps could serve as a core business model. Amann explains the economic bottlenecks of bootstrapping a venture studio where client services revenue must fund heavy sales and marketing.11:52–15:32 · Andrew pushing back 0/10 Conducting Technical Due Diligence and Demonstrating App Features Amann walks through the admin portal testing and an interactive map drawing feature. Gazdecki validates this by sharing standard SaaS and e-commerce technical due diligence practices.15:32–18:08 · Andrew pushing back 0/10 Technical Migration, Account Transfer, and Post-Sale Support Amann outlines transferring App Store and AWS accounts to the buyer. Gazdecki highlights the best practice of isolating digital assets in dedicated cloud environments to avoid disentangling shared infrastructure during M&A.18:08–20:59 · Andrew pushing back 0/10 Analyzing Deal Dynamics and a Frictionless M&A Structure Gazdecki notes the relative simplicity of transferring mobile assets compared to complex SaaS operations. Amann explains how buyer readiness with standardized term sheets and realistic pricing made the deal frictionless.20:59–22:59 · Andrew pushing back 0/10 Actionable Exit Advice for Founders Selling Digital Assets Amann advises founders that selling is not the end of work, warning that preparing the codebase and supporting post-sale transition can require around 100 development hours.22:59–25:07 · Andrew pushing back 0/10 Founder Recommendations: Mastering Craft and Tactical Knowledge The conversation shifts to educational resources, with Amann recommending Robert Greene's Mastery and The Knowledge Project podcast, while Gazdecki banters about power dynamics in business literature.25:07–27:38 · Andrew pushing back 0/10 Deconstructing Exceptional Mobile UI/UX Design and Trends Amann analyzes mobile UX benchmarks across Spotify, MileIQ, and historical UI paradigms from Windows Phone that shaped modern iOS. Gazdecki contributes observations on Starbucks app design trade-offs.

speaking balance: gold is Andrew, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Andrew 37.4% · guest 62.6%0:00 · Andrew 37.4% · guest 62.6%3:00 · Andrew 38.3% · guest 61.7%3:00 · Andrew 38.3% · guest 61.7%6:00 · Andrew 19.8% · guest 80.2%6:00 · Andrew 19.8% · guest 80.2%9:00 · Andrew 43.6% · guest 56.4%9:00 · Andrew 43.6% · guest 56.4%12:00 · Andrew 25.8% · guest 74.2%12:00 · Andrew 25.8% · guest 74.2%15:00 · Andrew 44% · guest 56%15:00 · Andrew 44% · guest 56%18:00 · Andrew 30.2% · guest 69.8%18:00 · Andrew 30.2% · guest 69.8%21:00 · Andrew 26% · guest 74%21:00 · Andrew 26% · guest 74%24:00 · Andrew 18.5% · guest 81.5%24:00 · Andrew 18.5% · guest 81.5%27:00 · Andrew 35.4% · guest 64.6%27:00 · Andrew 35.4% · guest 64.6%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 1:33 Polite disagreement on native app team structure

Amann politely contradicts Gazdecki's warning against maintaining two separate platform engineering teams, arguing that dedicated native teams handle OS library updates far better than hybrid frameworks.

 Hardest push from Andrew ▶ 1:56 Clarifying mobile development terminology

Gazdecki briefly steps in to clarify that he had understood Amann to mean hybrid apps earlier, reiterating the trade-offs of building single codebases versus dual native stacks.

 Biggest teaching moment ▶ 26:40 Tracing modern mobile UX back to Windows Phone

Amann educates Gazdecki on the lineage of mobile user interface patterns, pointing out how horizontal scrolling and menu structures in modern iOS were pioneered by Windows Phone in 2013.

 Andrew holds their own ▶ 16:34 Gazdecki highlighting AWS instance separation best practices

Gazdecki demonstrates his marketplace M&A expertise by detailing common cloud migration pitfalls when sellers maintain multiple apps within a single AWS instance.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicAndrew as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementAndrew pushing backWhy
Andrew Amann and the 923 Venture Studio Model 4211 Gazdecki shares his prior background running separate iOS and Android engineering teams. Amann offers a mild counter-perspective on preferring dedicated native teams over hybrid development before explaining the festival app's offline functionality.
Listing on MicroAcquire and Evaluating Buyer Intent 2200 Gazdecki inquires into the MicroAcquire listing metrics, and Amann details vetting 20 inbound inquiries down to three serious buyers with expansive product visions.
The Financial Realities of Bootstrapping a Venture Studio 3300 Gazdecki asks whether spinning out and flipping apps could serve as a core business model. Amann explains the economic bottlenecks of bootstrapping a venture studio where client services revenue must fund heavy sales and marketing.
Conducting Technical Due Diligence and Demonstrating App Features 4300 Amann walks through the admin portal testing and an interactive map drawing feature. Gazdecki validates this by sharing standard SaaS and e-commerce technical due diligence practices.
Technical Migration, Account Transfer, and Post-Sale Support 4100 Amann outlines transferring App Store and AWS accounts to the buyer. Gazdecki highlights the best practice of isolating digital assets in dedicated cloud environments to avoid disentangling shared infrastructure during M&A.
Analyzing Deal Dynamics and a Frictionless M&A Structure 3200 Gazdecki notes the relative simplicity of transferring mobile assets compared to complex SaaS operations. Amann explains how buyer readiness with standardized term sheets and realistic pricing made the deal frictionless.
Actionable Exit Advice for Founders Selling Digital Assets 2300 Amann advises founders that selling is not the end of work, warning that preparing the codebase and supporting post-sale transition can require around 100 development hours.
Founder Recommendations: Mastering Craft and Tactical Knowledge 3200 The conversation shifts to educational resources, with Amann recommending Robert Greene's Mastery and The Knowledge Project podcast, while Gazdecki banters about power dynamics in business literature.
Deconstructing Exceptional Mobile UI/UX Design and Trends 3400 Amann analyzes mobile UX benchmarks across Spotify, MileIQ, and historical UI paradigms from Windows Phone that shaped modern iOS. Gazdecki contributes observations on Starbucks app design trade-offs.

Statements from this episode (10)

Insight
Amann: Hybrid mobile apps cost more in the long run than native apps
“The hybrid apps we have tried to build have never gone well. On either the updates, the libraries always change, or it actually costs more in the long run to build a hybrid app. So we highly recommend doing native Android, native iPhone.”
Andrew Amann Nov 22, 2022 ▶ 1:44
Disclosure
Amann: 923 Studio refunded all festival app customers on March 1, 2020
“We built it in 2019. We hired a CEO in early 2020. We were set to release at the beginning of 2020. We released on March first, 20 20. And we had a few customers lined up and we immediately pressed return and returned all their money.”
Andrew Amann Nov 22, 2022 ▶ 3:34
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Amann: About 20 buyers inquired on MicroAcquire, yielding three serious prospects
“Yeah, and if I remember correctly, I think the number of buyers was about 20 that, you know, had reached out and shown interest, and there was, in the end, there was probably three serious buyers that not only wanted to use the application, but wanted to build…”
Andrew Amann Nov 22, 2022 ▶ 5:25
Insight
Amann: 90% of a startup's capital and focus goes to sales
“And as you know, with any startup, that's 90% of where the money goes. That's 90% of like where the focus is, is getting over that hurdle of product adoption and product market fit.”
Andrew Amann Nov 22, 2022 ▶ 9:03
Insight
Gazdecki: Post-Sale Engineering Support Gives Software Sellers a Major Advantage
“That's a huge just an advantage compared to a lot of other sellers. Cause as a buyer, you don't want to buy an application and then you, the source code is messy and then you have to go find another engineer. So just having someone available for any sort of fi…”
Andrew Gazdecki Nov 22, 2022 ▶ 11:30
Disclosure
Amann: 923 Studio spent nearly 100 hours preparing app transfer
“I think we spend almost a hundred hours of our own time just getting the application ready for the transfer.”
Andrew Amann Nov 22, 2022 ▶ 21:49
Insight
Amann: SaaS founders must retain developers through post-sale transfer
“If you're a SaaS company and you have to keep on your contractors or your development team a little longer, like really expect to keep them on through the acquisition and not like cut them before thinking everything's going to go smoothly.”
Andrew Amann Nov 22, 2022 ▶ 22:00
Assertion Contradicted
Amann: Spotify was the first to implement the bottom navigation bar on iOS
“The features that they put out are revolutionary, and they end up being industry leaders in a lot of areas, and it's very minor things. They were the first ones to put the bottom bar on iOS, and everybody followed suit”
Andrew Amann Nov 22, 2022 ▶ 25:24
Opinion
Amann: Xero's mobile app is absolutely horrible
“Zero does it too a little bit, but not as good because zero zap is absolutely horrible.”
Andrew Amann Nov 22, 2022 ▶ 26:08
Opinion
Amann: Modern mobile apps and iOS copy Windows Phone's UI design
“If you look at the mobile app landscape in the last six or seven years, we're all starting to copy windows operating system, their phone and the way they organize the horizontal scrolls. So a lot of things that they introduced to the app world, because they ca…”
Andrew Amann Nov 22, 2022 ▶ 26:42
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