“Customers, a hundred percent. Like I was cheating a little bit on the supply side because I was already a part of that community. So I already had, you know, some degree of like trust and different things like that. And then Once you kind of drive a message across that bridge of trust and people have a good experience, then they tell their peers and it kind of grows out from there and that's how you get your network effect, right? So like that was always kind of easy. The harder part was going to customers and saying, Hey, here's this crazy idea. Like it was really this idea of unseating folks and their opinion of hackers is just inherently bad.”
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