Espinoza: Solving distribution makes the specific product type irrelevant
Matt Espinoza · At 21 he made his 1st million. At 23, he grew his startup to $8M ARR in 6 months. | Matt Espinoza... · PMF Show · Nov 13, 2025 · at 1:56
Matt Espinoza, founder of Clover, explains his core thesis around building an automated distribution engine.
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“If you can solve that issue, if you can have millions of people knowing about what you do, it doesn't matter what project it's incubating. It could be e-commerce, it could be SaaS, even like a PDF guide.”
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