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Q bunch of shit together and then we all went off our own ways. And then you had a crazy journey after that where you made millions of dollars, lost millions of dollars and all the rest. So we're going to talk about all that. Let's start at the beginning. So I DM you, but we, you were actually were on Twitter where you said we were what? 13 years old.

A 13 years old. I followed you. I was trying to just get my face like on all these people. And cause I'm from Australia, right? There's no, There's no Silicon Valley. There's no like VCs and cool angels and all these people. So I was like, let me, this is my avenue to get to these people. Um, and then let me just like, even if it wasn't like a lot of value add, let me just tweet random shit at you guys. And I was doing that. So if you just go on my Twitter, you'll find tweets of me, you know, tweeting off to Sean random shit and you'll respond here and there. But yeah, so that was like when I was, yeah, literally like 13, 14, whatever. And then Couple of years after, later, when I was doing the podcast with Corey, is when, yeah, you DM'd me, and I was like, yeah, I already know who you are, let's do this. I think your name was, I think I found you because your name was also Sean, and I was like, this is what it, this is meant to be. I can't find this client info.

AI assessment note: “13 years old. I followed you. I was trying to just get my face”

Q Of the plan. The one-page plan, and now I call that my kickoff doc, but it was like, before we started it, I wrote this out. Do you remember that, that doc?

A Yeah, I remember, and it was, well, the first thing that you hopped on was, like, you need your a thousand true fans. Like, that was the very, very first thing that you're like, if we just got this, you can build a pretty big business just with, with a thousand people. That was like, the first thing I remember, and then you had a few things like, we need to get to a 100,000 listeners, and Get a bunch of other, other, like maybe build a business of, or like, you know, these ancillary businesses, adjacent businesses across it. And I mean, you did all that. That's the one thing you kind of step back and it's like, I'll share the doc.

AI assessment note: “Yeah, I remember, and it was, well, the first thing”

Q What's the, what can you share attraction wise?

A Uh, so, you know, we're probably going to do a half a billion in volume, uh, like this month. Um, and you know, this is generating a few million in revenue a month. Uh, and hopefully this month will be a few million in profit a month. And you know, we, this is also another thing that like these businesses are built to strip out the cashflow. It's like you, you, you build the business and then you have, you pay this out. This is not like, You're not praying for some exit. We all went into it knowing that no one's going to buy a crypto casino. You build it to make a lot of money and then, you know, strip the money out and pay it out to all the holders of the business. So that's also like, yeah, it's a very like, yeah,

AI assessment note: “we're probably going to do a half a billion in volume, uh, like this month.”

Q justify anything that you're doing in the moment, because you're like, I'm gonna do the noble mission later, and so I love it, because it's hilarious how much people love that quote. I don't know if it's good wisdom or bad wisdom, I can tell, but, uh, what, by the way, what, uh, ideas do you have? So, yeah, do you know MFM? You know, that's what we do here.

A I'm gonna, I'm gonna get out my notes app really quick today, and we might have already talked about some. Just, uh, really quickly, there was, um, before we've been talking about kids that were playing RuneScape and stuff like that, I literally have already one in here. I had incubator around kids who are building businesses within games. Um, I like that. Cause I think every, yeah, every, so I guess during my era, like I'm a bit older now, during my era, it was kids that were building Minecraft servers, or, um, I know for the guys that did stake, they were Runescape kids. They, they built a casino in Runescape first, and then they did their own thing. So it's like Runescape, Minecraft, I think now it's like Roblox or like maybe, um, like Fortnite creator maps and stuff like that. Like if you're building businesses within games, um, every single person I've met that's done that, they're all like super successful millionaires.

AI assessment note: “I had incubator around kids who are building businesses within games.”

Q worth more than ten million dollars, right? So it was like, would have played out very well. Timing is always very, very tricky. Um, do you look at this as I was trying to try it? I was trying to time a, a bubble, or do you look at this as I believe in this company and I still believe in this company and that's why I have the stock.

A Believe in the company and also, um, I was kind of seeing this as like, there's, there's like a few people that have like these life holds. It's like, uh, you know, you hold these, like, this is a lifetime hold. This isn't like you buy in, you sell out, whatever. Um, and so I was convincing myself of that. It's like, I will, I'll buy this and you know, when this becomes like the next 10 cent, I'll have a couple hundred million dollars stake and that's how And I didn't have to do it. This was, like, the only investment I had to do. I didn't have to make all these other investments. Um, there's still some, like, part of me that believes in that. It's like, I, I still see a pathway where, like, in the next 20, 20, 30 years, whatever, this is, like, A 102 103 hundred billion dollar company or whatever. And it's like, I have, I've got a pretty decent, you know, stake in that. Um, and so, yeah, that, that's what I was like convincing myself of. That is a bit less now during times like this, but I still have some thing here where I'm like, okay, um, Is it hard to not just get attached like identity wise to like, I don't want to be wrong.

AI assessment note: “Believe in the company and also, um, I was kind of seeing this as”

Q I'm like, holy shit. You did it. We started the podcast. My first million. You just made your first two million. Congrats. Like, I can't believe this worked out. You're like, I'm not going to sell though. And I was like, wow, this guy's insane. And I was like, that's an insane story. So you held it. Um, What's it at now?

A Uh, who knows? No, no one knows. I mean, I was with, uh, I met, I met Yad and I met the board. It was a few weeks ago in Sydney. Um, and the, the real thing here is, I forgot who said it, but they were like, never count your winnings unless it's like cash in bank, it's realized. Um, and so I was like, Hey, you have to exit this and the way to exit it is either I sell it privately. Um, all these unicorns, they're at massive discounts right now. So it's like, I could do that. I hate like, you know, at its peak, it's worth eight figures. Do I sell now for seven figures and cash it in? That's always like a decision that plays my mind.

AI assessment note: “at its peak, it's worth eight figures. Do I sell now for seven figures”