Jan 24, 2023 · 1h 31m · my-first-million
Behind The Scenes of Selling My Company For Millions | Suli Ali (#410)
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Entrepreneur and investor Suli Ali joins Sean Puri on My First Million to break down high-stakes M&A negotiation strategies, corporate roll-up models, high-probability business blueprints, and the psychology of post-exit fulfillment.
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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. The hosts hold 49.2% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
The hosts as informed peer 6.2 Guest teaching 5.3 Guest disagreement 2.0 The hosts pushing back 2.1
speaking balance: gold is the hosts, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 27:44 Consumer content creator disagreement
Shaan challenges Suli's suggestion that general consumers should launch niche lifestyle content channels, pointing out that almost none become viable businesses.
Hardest push from the hosts ▶ 27:44 Shaan challenges consumer creator viabilityShaan refuses Suli's premise about building consumer niche media channels, backing up his stance with streaming and YouTube failure statistics.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 39:25 Suli deconstructs venture capital dynamicsSuli walks through the structural flaws and lack of defensibility in angel investing, contrasting small checks with taking majority equity in profitable operations.
The host holds their own ▶ 20:43 Shaan's step-by-step $1M agency playbookShaan takes full command of the conversation, spelling out the math, customer acquisition, and packaging for bootstrapping a highly profitable niche agency.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | The hosts as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | The hosts pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Suli Ali's Entrepreneurial Background and Podcast Reunion | 6 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Shaan sets up the episode by summarizing Suli's background across early Facebook apps and gaming companies with high familiarity. Suli agrees collegially and reflects on the early days of the podcast. The tone is deeply collaborative and reminiscent. | |
| M&A Banker Wisdom and the AppLovin Miracle | 6 | 5 | 1 | 2 | Suli recounts banker Dick Filippini's background and the AppLovin deal restructuring. Shaan demonstrates domain fluency by jumping in to clarify the exact valuation and ownership mechanics of the restructured transaction. | |
| Disclosing Business Weaknesses Upfront to Build Trust | 7 | 6 | 2 | 2 | Suli and Shaan exchange lessons on M&A transparency. Suli explains how showing weaknesses disarms buyers, while Shaan recounts using Sam Parr's direct tactic of presenting a list of business flaws during the Milk Road sale to build instant trust. | |
| Acquisition Posturing and Identifying Charlatan Buyers | 6 | 6 | 3 | 2 | Suli explains how rejecting acquisition interest outright backfires and how to posture interest casually. Both host and guest trade observations on spotting charlatan buyers who rely on puffery rather than concrete metrics. | |
| Business Opportunity: The Robinhood of Real Estate | 5 | 6 | 2 | 2 | Suli pitches a turnkey consumer app for micro-investing in rental real estate, comparing it to gold-investment app Jar. Shaan validates the concept by connecting it to existing platforms like Fundrise while Suli clarifies how to streamline it for mass adoption. | |
| The $1M Blueprint: High-Leverage Niche Service Agencies | 8 | 2 | 1 | 2 | Shaan leads a masterclass on bootstrapping a $1M niche service agency via proof-of-work case studies and conversion optimization. Suli enthusiastically supports and extends the premise across offline sectors like dental and accounting. | |
| Creator Economics and Evaluating Startup Graveyards | 8 | 3 | 4 | 7 | Suli pitches building a business around niche lifestyle content creation, but Shaan directly pushes back with empirical data showing the terrible hit rate of consumer content. Shaan contrasts consumer creators with high-leverage B2B publications. | |
| Blueprint Execution: Replicating Proven Business Models | 7 | 4 | 2 | 2 | Shaan explains his philosophy of hunting for replicable blueprints before launching businesses, and Suli shares his disdain for tech buzzwords and mental models in favor of first-principles thinking. | |
| The Harsh Realities of Angel Investing and Missed Opportunities | 5 | 7 | 4 | 2 | Suli breaks down why he left early-stage angel investing, citing hyper-inflated valuations, 10-year illiquid lockups, and humiliating founder dynamics, highlighting his missed opportunity in Coinbase's Series A. | |
| Market Psychology, Missed Secondary Trades, and 2008 Real Estate | 6 | 7 | 2 | 2 | Suli shares a painful blunder where he paid $75k to avoid buying private Facebook shares during the 2008 crash, alongside his father's counter-intuitive real estate buying spree during market troughs. Shaan connects this to crypto market psychology. | |
| Sponsor Break: HubSpot CRM Platform | 7 | 3 | 1 | 2 | Following a brief scripted sponsor plug, Shaan breaks down Justin Yoshimura's eccentric LinkedIn profile and the roll-up mechanics of CSC Generation buying legacy furniture companies. | |
| Brutal Feedback, Ex-Co-Founders, and High-Stakes Tech Politics | 4 | 8 | 2 | 1 | Suli recounts a candid story of his former co-founder sending him a 50-point list of why the company succeeded despite him, and how that partner almost derailed TinyCo's Series A at Andreessen Horowitz. | |
| Public Market Turnarounds: The Squarespace Acquisition Thesis | 6 | 7 | 2 | 2 | Suli outlines his thesis for executing a take-private acquisition of Squarespace, identifying wasteful marketing and New York overhead as easy margin unlocks. Shaan provides historical parallels with Casper and Carl Icahn corporate raids. | |
| The Mechanics of a Private Equity Dental Roll-Up | 6 | 8 | 2 | 2 | Suli details the operational and valuation arbitrage behind a dental private equity roll-up. Shaan breaks down the math of multiple expansion from 7x EBITDA to 15x at institutional scale. | |
| Generational Perspectives and the Four Seasons of Ambition | 7 | 3 | 1 | 2 | Shaan articulates an observant breakdown of the four seasons of ambition witnessed at an entrepreneur retreat, contrasting the endless grind of youth with the desire for balance in one's forties. Suli agrees wholeheartedly. | |
| Escaping the Entrepreneurial Prison and Opting Out | 6 | 7 | 2 | 2 | Suli and Shaan reflect on the psychological trap of successful founders continuously building new 'prisons' for themselves instead of opting out of the rat race once financially secure. | |
| Living by Imagination: Hiring a Chief Fun Officer | 5 | 7 | 2 | 1 | Suli shares his realization that life after financial freedom is limited only by imagination, leading him to hire a 'Chief Fun Officer' to inject spontaneity and entertainment into his routine. |
Statements from this episode (28)
Ali: Blocked $1B Chinese buyout led to AppLovin's $30B public valuation
“He sold Apple oven to a Chinese company for a one billion dollars. And the Trump administration blocked the deal or the FTC blocked the deal. And instead of it being a billion dollar sale, the Chinese company invested a hundred million dollars into Apple Levin…”
Ali: Acquirers care about strategic fit and profit, not word nuances
“The, in my head kind of having been through this a couple times, I feel like a lot of the you know, texts, the nuance of words that you care about when you're trying to sell your business, the buyer doesn't care about that much. And it's more of a emotional th…”
Shaan Puri: Disclosing Company Flaws Upfront Builds Acquirer Trust
“My, you know, I think the entrepreneur's instinct is hide that, you know, as far, put it behind your back, you know, if they ask for it, you show them, but like, don't scare them away. And in fact, what you want to do is like find out as quickly as possible if…”
Ali: Telling acquirers you are not for sale often gets you disqualified
“When you ask an entrepreneur if they want to sell their business, entrepreneurs are told to say, no, I do not want to sell my business. And they expect that the buyer is going to come over the top and say, even if you don't want to sell your business, we're su…”
Ali: Solicits baseline acquisition offers to trigger competitive bidding
“When I was ready to sell a business, I would find somebody that I knew was interested, but wouldn't have a good offer and get them to make an offer and then say, cool go that enables you to reach out to other people and say, Hey, we have an offer to sell the b…”
Ali: Charlatan acquirers lead with flattery and puffery rather than numbers
“There's a lot of people who are charlatans nowadays, and they'll often lead with a lot of, like, flattery and not substance... And they don't lead with like numbers and information. They lead with like flowery language that doesn't go anywhere.”
Puri: Niche service agencies can easily reach $100K monthly with 10 clients
“And I think that this is like a, such a bootstrappable easy way to get to a hundred K a month in revenue, right? Like you get 10 clients paying you 10 K a month. It is not hard to get 10 customers to pay you 10 K a month when it's A part of their business that…”
Puri: Profitable niche consulting agencies trade at 2x to 3x EBITDA
“And if you get a business like this to. 900 K and, you know, 60% profit, you could sell that agency or that consulting business for maybe two or three times, you know, EBITDA. And so you could sell that, you could make. 600 to 800 K a year and then sell it for…”
Puri: Consumer content creation rarely produces sustainable businesses
“I don't think they're very reliable at creating successful businesses. Most content creators don't make successful businesses, right? So if you just look empirically at the numbers, you're just like, okay, of the two million Twitch streamers and of the ten mil…”
Puri: Niche B2B newsletters work across virtually any industry
“And I think you could do that for basically the owner of any business, construction businesses, You know, whatever, any, you know, doctors, lawyers, whoever, any type of business, if you focus on that and you get good at doing that.”
Ali: Cloning proven playbooks into new categories is underrated
“That's like kind of underrated. And most people don't do where they're like, I see this person is successful. I'm just going to do the exact same playbook, but in a different product category or different sector.”
Ali: If I were MrBeast, I would build Y Combinator for creators
“I would start a Y Combinator for creators and maximize the basically find the next Kim Kardashian, the next Mr. Beast, and support them, and own a piece of them, and be a kingmaker where I'm making other kings.”
Ali: Bill Gurley yelled at founder over lost Andreessen Horowitz deal
“Friend of mine was raising money and got a term sheet from Andreessen Horowitz and Bill Gurley at Benchmark and went with the Andreessen Horowitz term sheet. And Bill Gurley was so mad that he called the founder up and like yelled at them for two hours. And se…”
Ali: High valuations and competition make early-stage investing unprofitable
“So the combination of high valuations and increased competition makes it really hard to make any money as an investor.”
Ali: Passed on $25K Coinbase Series A worth $200M at IPO
“Biggest miss was Coinbase. My at TinyCo, we had this guy who worked for me named Adam Merber. He was roommates with Fred, the Coinbase co-founder. And so Brian Armstrong and Fred were fundraising for their Series A. They got a term sheet from Andreessen Horowi…”
Ali: Paid $75K penalty to back out of 2008 Facebook secondary
“I signed a contract to buy some Facebook stock, like, a 150,000 dollars worth, and the stock price, you know, it was private, but in the private market, the price went down by 50%, and I called my father and was like, oh, you know, if this happened to me, And …”
Ali: A friend turned $50K in 2008 Facebook stock into $8 million
“Somebody else came to me and was like, hey I've got Facebook stock to sell to, and so I hooked up a friend of mine with that Facebook stock, and he bought 50 K worth of stock, And that 50 K ended up being worth, like, eight million dollars for him, which is ki…”
Ali: Holding $50M in 30-day T-bills waiting for market entry
“I've got, like, forty million dollars or fifty million dollars in US T-bills that, like, mature every 30 days, and I'm keeping them on, in, like, short-term T-bills because I'm, like, I'm gonna find some other investment, whether that's the S&P 500 or somethin…”
Ali: Family acquired roughly 100 Florida rental homes buying the 2008 crash
“In you know, I sold my first startup and made a million bucks in 2008. He lived in Florida and was like, all the real estate prices here are at 25 cents on the dollar. I'm gonna go buy it. And so he bought a house. I sent him the million dollars. He went and b…”
Puri: CSC Generation acquired Sur La Table for $89M and Z Gallerie for $20M
“So he's bought, like, Surla Table for eighty-nine million, Z Gallery for 20,000,001 King's Lane, and then he started making offers to buy.”
Ali: TinyCo's a16z Series A was almost torpedoed by an ex-cofounder
“I started that company, then I started TinyCo and we were raising our series A from Andreessen Horowitz and he found out and He sent them an email saying, you shouldn't let this guy you shouldn't invest in this guy call me. And so they called him and, you know…”
Ali: Travis Kalanick drove to a VC firm to block Lyft investment
“Like Travis, the Uber CEO, when he heard that some company, some VC fund was investing in Lyft, he stopped what he was doing. He drove down to that VC firm and said, here are all the reasons you shouldn't invest in Lyft.”
Ali: Squarespace has $900M run rate and 4M subscribers despite stock drop
“And so the stock is down, you know, 50% since the IPO. They're at this, like, kind of nine hundred million revenue run rate now. It's a subscription business with more than four million subscribers.”
Ali: Squarespace is super undervalued and managed for breakeven, not profit
“I'd love to buy it because I think it's a great company that's super undervalued. It's not being run to maximize profits. So it's being run in a way that keeps it at breakeven.”
Ali: Solo dental practice generated 7-figure EBITDA at 50% net margin
“So he does seven figures in EBITDA, has a 50% net margin all while working three days a week.”
Puri: Roll-ups capture multiple arbitrage from 7x small EBITDA to 15x scale
“Small EBITDA businesses, like let's say you're doing a million or two million, they'll sell for seven X. But if you had Twenty million of EBITDA in a business, it'll get acquired by a larger institution. It's an easier buy button to buy twenty million a year o…”
Ali: Solo Stove founder puts entire net worth into Vanguard ETFs
“He doesn't invest in any startups. He doesn't invest in any private equity funds or VC funds. He's like, when people are like, do you want to invest in this, that, the other thing? He's like, no, I'm good. He takes all of his money and puts it in the stock mar…”
Suli Ali is hiring a "chief fun officer" to disrupt work habits
“One of the things that made me do is I'm trying to hire a chief fund officer. My definition of fun is often like, let's work and let's grind it out. I'm trying to hire somebody who's the exact opposite of me to be like, no, that's lame. Here's like five more f…”